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PostSubject: Penn State   Penn State EmptyMon Jul 23, 2012 11:20 am

Last week the only thing talked about was the statue. Now it's the sanctions. But it's the only thing being talked about.

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PostSubject: Re: Penn State   Penn State EmptyTue Jul 24, 2012 12:50 pm

they hold have gotten the death penalty

SMU gets it for paying players yet you can cover up a rapist and enable him for 13 years?
60 million is 1 year of revenue generated from the football program so lets calculate this.

13 years X 60 million

780 million generated in 13 years by covering up a guy raping kids in the locker rooms.

The program deserves to be banned for a year.

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PostSubject: Re: Penn State   Penn State EmptyTue Jul 24, 2012 12:55 pm

I agree with the people saying they should have waited until some of these court cases finish. You can't help but see a bit of grand standing by NCAA here.

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PostSubject: Re: Penn State   Penn State EmptyTue Jul 24, 2012 1:36 pm

I've just recently been following this because of ESPN First Take. They deserve whatever penalty they get and even more.
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PostSubject: Re: Penn State   Penn State EmptyTue Jul 24, 2012 2:03 pm

NCAA should of done nothing, this really is not their concern, it is bigger than them. This action affirms the position that the NCCA believes the actions of Sandusky, Paterno and the upper admin had not hurt enough people, so they go after the students and what funds a variety of student and capitol expenditures. Going after wrong with wrong is not a right. Shultz, Curly and Spainer should be dealt with in the proper setting, not by the NCAA. Individuals are guilty of wrongs, the NCAA claiming current and future students are to be held guilty and punished for the actions of select individuals is BS.

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PostSubject: Re: Penn State   Penn State EmptyTue Jul 24, 2012 2:04 pm

Wouldn't future students just go to another school instead?
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PostSubject: Re: Penn State   Penn State EmptyTue Jul 24, 2012 2:05 pm

If the can get a scholarship, of which the pool has now been reduced for such an opportunity.

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PostSubject: Re: Penn State   Penn State EmptyTue Jul 24, 2012 2:15 pm

i think it was warranted, this was a cover up by the whole institution led by the man in charge in JoePa, you cannot deny that!

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PostSubject: Re: Penn State   Penn State EmptyTue Jul 24, 2012 2:18 pm

Yeah, I can.

What you cannot explain is why a student athlete shares that guilt and is worthy of punishment.

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PostSubject: Re: Penn State   Penn State EmptyTue Jul 24, 2012 2:28 pm

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Yeah, I can.

What you cannot explain is why a student athlete shares that guilt and is worthy of punishment.
it comes with the baggage! it was the administrators that caused this, students are collateral damage at this point. you have to set an example

so you're saying that jopa had no part in covering this up? its clear that he didnt do enough to help em kids out.

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PostSubject: Re: Penn State   Penn State EmptyTue Jul 24, 2012 2:32 pm

they told this guy not to do this on campus anymore! i mean COME ON!

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PostSubject: Re: Penn State   Penn State EmptyTue Jul 24, 2012 2:34 pm

I did not say Paterno was absolved from guilt. I said those guilty of crimes should be punished accordingly. When someone says the entire institution is guilty they are saying the students, department staffs, faculty, administration, etc., all share that guilt, so again, if someone would like to explain to me how a student athlete is guilty of a crime and warrants penalty, I'm all ears. Someone tell me what the students are guilty of? Who suffers from the NCAA's decision? Why do they deserve it? This is common sense stuff.

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PostSubject: Re: Penn State   Penn State EmptyTue Jul 24, 2012 3:27 pm

Did the NCAA put a hold on all scholarships, or just athletic scholarships?

If it is all scholarships, that is a bit harsh. Joe Blow the science geek shouldnt pay for the disgusting past of the Athletic program.

But if it is only sports scholarships being taken away, then they can shut the fuck up. There are plenty of other colleges to go play sports at. And if you are worth a shit, someone will want you.

Athletic program at Penn State should be banned.

And hell even if I was a student from the state Pennsylvania, that grew up a mile from campus, and had wanted to go to Penn State all my life, my mind would completely change. No way would I want to go to a school where such disgusting acts are/were tolerated and over looked.

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PostSubject: Re: Penn State   Penn State EmptyTue Jul 24, 2012 4:21 pm

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I did not say Paterno was absolved from guilt. I said those guilty of crimes should be punished accordingly. When someone says the entire institution is guilty they are saying the students, department staffs, faculty, administration, etc., all share that guilt, so again, if someone would like to explain to me how a student athlete is guilty of a crime and warrants penalty, I'm all ears. Someone tell me what the students are guilty of? Who suffers from the NCAA's decision? Why do they deserve it? This is common sense stuff.

the students are not guilty, but the administrators and people responisble for running the university were, people with REAL power who decided this was something they could control and hide away like it was a parking ticker, therefore i dont care what happens to the students. i honestly think the fines werent enough but it's a good start

finally the ncaa does something other than a slap on the wrist

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PostSubject: Re: Penn State   Penn State EmptyTue Jul 24, 2012 6:27 pm

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i think it was warranted, this was a cover up by the whole institution led by the man in charge in JoePa, you cannot deny that!


completely agree, the most damning email in the Freeh report was sent from the president and he says "after talking to Coach Paterno we have decided to change course"

which means, after talking to Joe Paterno, we aren't going to turn in Sandusky for raping a kid in our locker rooms.

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PostSubject: Re: Penn State   Penn State EmptyTue Jul 24, 2012 6:28 pm

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Did the NCAA put a hold on all scholarships, or just athletic scholarships?

If it is all scholarships, that is a bit harsh. Joe Blow the science geek shouldnt pay for the disgusting past of the Athletic program.

But if it is only sports scholarships being taken away, then they can shut the fuck up. There are plenty of other colleges to go play sports at. And if you are worth a shit, someone will want you.

Athletic program at Penn State should be banned.

And hell even if I was a student from the state Pennsylvania, that grew up a mile from campus, and had wanted to go to Penn State all my life, my mind would completely change. No way would I want to go to a school where such disgusting acts are/were tolerated and over looked.



no the only scholarships affected ARE FOOTBALL SCHOLARSHIPS

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PostSubject: Re: Penn State   Penn State EmptyTue Jul 24, 2012 6:29 pm

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Yeah, I can.

What you cannot explain is why a student athlete shares that guilt and is worthy of punishment.

all student athletes in the football program (the only sport effected by this ruling) can leave and won't lose a year of eligibility.

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PostSubject: Re: Penn State   Penn State EmptyTue Jul 24, 2012 6:47 pm

But all of my questions remain unanswered. The NCAA has assigned guilt with a broad stroke when the actual evidence is pointing to actions by a select few individuals. So I'll ask again, why should anyone other than those responsible be held accountable?

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PostSubject: Re: Penn State   Penn State EmptyTue Jul 24, 2012 8:49 pm

It comes with the package, it was the people IN CHARGE that are guilty, therefore everyone eats the consequences

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PostSubject: Re: Penn State   Penn State EmptyTue Jul 24, 2012 11:01 pm

Fuck Penn State and everyone involved in this. If the athletes can leave then that's fair enough. The school needs to pay big time.
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PostSubject: Re: Penn State   Penn State EmptyTue Jul 24, 2012 11:07 pm

tho i dont think JoePa should have his wins taken away, those athletes did their job and knew nothing about this. the wins should stasnd, but everyhthing else is fair game at this point

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PostSubject: Re: Penn State   Penn State EmptyWed Jul 25, 2012 9:15 am

I'm on G's side on this. The problem here is the same problem that people are having nationally. People think if you don't agree with the NCAA getting involved that you somehow think what JoPa and others did at Penn St is OK. Just because you don't think it's a NCAA issue does not mean you support in any way what anyone did at Penn State. This is an issue for law enforcement and the courts. Those involved will pay for their crimes. The NCAA didn't even conduct their own investigation, Penn State is the one that did the investigation. The NCAA didn't want to conduct their own investigation and drag this thing out a couple more years. The NCAA's actions here was done quickly simply to get it over with ASAP and the punishment was done harshly so they could pound their chest. It's grand standing. The actions taken by the NCAA were selfish. They wanted to be done with it and they wanted to be able to stick their chest out and say we got them.

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PostSubject: Re: Penn State   Penn State EmptyWed Jul 25, 2012 1:42 pm

Penn State should be happy as hell they didn't get worse imo.
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PostSubject: Re: Penn State   Penn State EmptyMon Jul 30, 2012 4:00 pm

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But all of my questions remain unanswered. The NCAA has assigned guilt with a broad stroke when the actual evidence is pointing to actions by a select few individuals. So I'll ask again, why should anyone other than those responsible be held accountable?

you aren't getting it, the people that covered this up, did it for 1 reason, to protect a billion dollar entity that is the PSU football program.

When you do that, the program suffers,
Do you think Penn State would have suffered in 2001 if it came out that their long time D Coordinator was fucking little kids in the shower? Ya probably, instead they covered it up for 15 years and continued to profit and count 100s of millions of dollars, they are lucky they didn't get the death penalty.

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PostSubject: Re: Penn State   Penn State EmptyMon Jul 30, 2012 4:04 pm

So are you saying those who share the effects of the ruling today do so because they share the guilt of tha actions a few people from the past?

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