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PostSubject: 1982 Lebanon War for Wolf   1982 Lebanon War for Wolf EmptySat Mar 24, 2012 4:38 pm

Wolf you posted so many historical inaccuracies that I decided to take a whole post to maybe help you realize how wrong your opinions stated where.

Lets look at a little historical background, 710,000 Palestinians flee Israel during 1948 War (totally all Israels fault right.)
Now When Turkish Ottoman Empire falls in WW1 Britain holds 4 former Ottoman territories. 3 of these territories become Iraq, Syria and Lebanon. Birtain remained control over the Palestinian territory with the stated purpose of returning it to the Jewish people (1917 Balfour Declaration)

BEFORE THE HOLOCAUST you have european jews migrating to the British mandate. First problems between european jewish people and palestinian muslims occur.

NOW LETS FAST FORWARD

The Palestinian Liberation Organization was using Lebanon for a base of operations and attacks and only after Abu Nidal Organization attempted to assassinate Israels ambassador to UK. Israel entered Southern Lebanon in 1982 to kick the PLO out of Lebanon and to remove the Syrian forces from Lebanon. The stated goal was to do this and then sign A PEACE TREATY BETWEEN LEBANON AND ISRAEL.

THE SHIA MILITANT GROUP HEZBOLLAH WHICH IS LEBANESE BASED NOT PALESTINIAN WAS FORMED IN 1982 .

War ended with the expulsion of PLO, Syrian SAM Batteries destroyed, Israel in S. Lebanon 1982-1985. So Israel had a war to remove elements that were attacking them and sign a peace treaty that would bring peace between Lebanon and Israel.

Obviously that didn't happen, I just find it shocking that you don't have your facts right about Hezbollah and then sympathize with them. If they ahdnt come about, there was a legitimate chance at peace between the two. Instead Syria moved in and linked up with them as did Iran.

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PostSubject: Re: 1982 Lebanon War for Wolf   1982 Lebanon War for Wolf EmptySat Mar 24, 2012 5:07 pm



Hezbollah started as a terrorist/resistence/freedom fighter group(all of the above) in 1985 out of a conglomeration of various shiite groups that formed in 1982. Popularly the date is 1982 but the organization of "Hezbollah" didnt officially exist until 1985, though it can be argued it doesn't matter since they formed out of groups existing before 1985.

You failed to mention the international commission ruled Israel had no legal grounds to invade or engage in that war. An assassination attempt by a small criminal organization doesn't give a country invasion rights. Israel was also shown to be directly or indirectly involved with Sabra and Shatila massacre.

You also did not mention Israel's real goals for these wars was to establish Christian governments and Lebanon and remove opposition to annexing the West Bank.

You also didn't mention Israel violated a unanimous decision of the UN security counsel by invading, and the USA used the veto power for the first time in history in vetoing the second resolution passed by the rest of the members of the counsel ordering Israel to leave. In vetoing the resolution, we took collaborated in what was found to be an illegal war of aggression. This is why the middle east fucking hates us.

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After the invasion had begun, the UN Security Council passed a further resolution on 6 June 1982, Resolution 509, which reaffirms UNSCR 508 and "demands that Israel withdraw all its military forces forthwith and unconditionally to the internationally recognized boundaries of Lebanon".[21] Thus far the US had not used its veto. However, on 8 June 1982, the US vetoed a proposed resolution that "reiterates [the] demand that Israel withdraw all its military forces forthwith and unconditionally to the internationally recognized boundaries of Lebanon",[22] thereby giving implicit assent to the Israeli invasion.
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PostSubject: Re: 1982 Lebanon War for Wolf   1982 Lebanon War for Wolf EmptySat Mar 24, 2012 5:09 pm

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If they ahdnt come about, there was a legitimate chance at peace between the two. Instead Syria moved in and linked up with them as did Iran.


They only came about due to Israel launching an illegal war and occupation that lasted 20 years. Israel's aggressive foreign policy makes matters worse, and our support for it is immoral and wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: 1982 Lebanon War for Wolf   1982 Lebanon War for Wolf EmptySun Mar 25, 2012 2:12 am

For Hezbollah, 1983 was only a coming out. The organization’s fighters had been trained by the Palestinian Liberation organization in South Lebanon before the 1982 Israeli invasion drove out the PLO. Hezbollah was also (and still is) trained and funded in large part by Iran, and to a smaller extent by Syria.

Wolf Hezbollah was trained in 1982 by PLO, began attacking by 1983, and were recognized and identified by 1985. You are wrong saying Hezbollah was created in 1985


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PostSubject: Re: 1982 Lebanon War for Wolf   1982 Lebanon War for Wolf EmptySun Mar 25, 2012 4:24 am

That doesn't really matter anyway, Hezbollah is only worried about us because we allowed Lebanon to be violated illegally.
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PostSubject: Re: 1982 Lebanon War for Wolf   1982 Lebanon War for Wolf EmptySun Mar 25, 2012 4:39 pm

wolf I said Saddam invaded south Kuwait.

Really he invaded northern Kuwait through Southern Iraq.

You say Hezbollah was created in 1985, then you admit its 1982 but not that big a deal.

no ones perfect

interesting point though wolf, first the USA should stay out of the affairs, now we should have intervened on behalf of Lebanon?

Illegally invaded Lebanon? Do you know what started both Lebanon-Israel wars?

Abu Nidals organization attempted to assasinate Isreals ambassador to te UK, the second war was started after Hezbollah continuously fired rockets into Israel and crossed Israels border killed 8 soldiers and kidnapped 2 more.

Do you even know who Abu Nidal was? He was considered the most ruthless Palestinian leader and delivered such interview gems as, "I am the evil spirit which moves around only at night causing nightmares."
He rejected proposals for a peaceful settlement with Israel, the ANO was formed after a split in 1974 between Abu Nidal and Yasser Arafat's Fatah PLO. Setting himself up as a freelance contractor, Abu Nidal is believed by the United States Department of State to have ordered attacks in 20 countries, killing or injuring over 900 people. The group's most notorious attacks were on the El Al ticket counters at Rome and Vienna airports in December 1985, when Arab gunmen high on amphetamines opened fire on passengers in simultaneous shootings, killing 18 and wounding 120. Patrick Seale, Abu Nidal's biographer, wrote of the attacks that their "random cruelty marked them as typical Abu Nidal operations."


Israel didn't just invade Lebanon for no reason they were provoked by a mad man. Learn your history, don't just put on the anti-Israel blinders.

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PostSubject: Re: 1982 Lebanon War for Wolf   1982 Lebanon War for Wolf EmptySun Mar 25, 2012 4:41 pm

In June 1982, Abu Nidal succeeded in sparking the Israeli invasion of Lebanon and the PLO's expulsion from its base there. On June 3, three ANO operatives—Hussein Ghassan Said, Nawaf al-Rosan, and Marwan al-Banna, Abu Nidal's cousin—approached Shlomo Argov, the Israeli ambassador to Britain, as he left the Dorchester Hotel on Park Lane, London. Said shot him in the head, but Argov survived, spending the next three months in a coma, and the rest of his life disabled, until his death in February 2003

I wonder why Israel wanted to get rid of PLO and ANO, in my opinion Hezbollah has shown what they are since the end of the war from 2000 to 2006 and so on, they fire hundreds of rockets into Israel from a country that has a cease-fire with Israel. You don't see the problem there?

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PostSubject: Re: 1982 Lebanon War for Wolf   1982 Lebanon War for Wolf EmptySun Mar 25, 2012 4:51 pm

Yasser Arafat and his PLO along with Lebanon contorted with Nidal and allied themselves with him, when Nidal struck and the repercussions where coming, they shouldn't have acted surprised.

Same thing with Iran and Hezbollah. Iran and Syria were and are using Hezbollah as a proxy in Lebanon. They have already fought two wars against Israel (and in their view the USA) by using Hezbollah in Lebanon. Study the Lebanon War in 2006, it was a big deal my friend. Hezbollah had been training and planning with Iran and Syria for 6 years, nothing went right in that war and it was the first time several long range Iranian rockets were fired in the war. Including one surface to boat missile that Israel was not even aware Hezbollah had.

The one thing to take away though was that Olmert was worried about being blamed for bombing large number of civilian structures so he only hit Hezbollah government buildings. Don't worry people still claimed anti Israel propaganda. But when Olmert finally put enough men on the ground Israel swept through Lebanon in one day, the next day the cease fire was signed.

Right when Israel got their shit together, the war was ended.

In actuality, these claims couldn’t be further from the truth. Israel lost the war in Lebanon on all fronts. This is so largely because Olmert refused to allow the Israeli Defense Forces to do its job.

Days after Hezbollah provoked Israel last month by firing rockets into Jewish towns and by ambushing an Israeli military patrol unit killing 8 soldiers and kidnapping two others, the IDF presented Olmert with several battle plans it says could have devastated Hezbollah within an estimated three weeks.

The plans, drawn up and improved upon over the course of several years, called for an immediate air campaign against Hezbollah strongholds in south Beirut; aerial bombardment of key sections of the Lebanese-Syria border to ensure the kidnapped soldiers were not transported out of the country and to halt Syrian re-supply of arms to Hezbollah; and the deployment of up to 40,000 ground troops to advance immediately to the Latani River – taking up the swath of territory from which most Hezbollah rockets are fired – and from there work their way back to the Israeli border while surrounding and then cleaning out Hezbollah strongholds under heavy aerial cover.

To the dismay of military officials here, Olmert did not approve the plan. He initially allowed only a limited air campaign that focused on some high-profile Hezbollah targets, the Beirut airport and roads that led from Beirut into Syria. But the main smuggling routes between Syria and Lebanon, sites very well known to Israeli intelligence, were essentially off limits to the Israeli Air Force because Olmert didn’t want his army operating too close to Syria for fear it would bring Damascus into the conflict.


Afraid of being accused of using excessive force and firing indiscriminately into population centers – charges leveled at the Jewish state anyway – Olmert limited the IAF to strategic bombings only. The air force was not allowed to clear the way for ground troops to enter.

And so the IDF – with a force one fourth the size it asked for – engaged in heated, often face-to-face combat over the course of weeks with a well-trained, well-armed Hezbollah militia that had planned with Iran for up to six years for this battle.


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PostSubject: Re: 1982 Lebanon War for Wolf   1982 Lebanon War for Wolf EmptyMon Mar 26, 2012 3:24 am

When did I say we should have intervined on behalf of Lebanon. Why do you make these judgements? Im not even reading your posts anymore on this anymore. You just google around for shit that supports your case. You dont even know what your talking about.

The UN told Israel to not invade and they violated a security counsel resolution, and would have violated another had we not unilaterally vetoed it. I will not reply to any replies that do not address this point.
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