MMA RANKINGS - CHAPTER 2...

You mean the Brock who just submitted a legit top 5 HW, who TKO'd another legit top 5 HW before that and before that TKO'd the defending 3 time UFC HW Champion? Is that the Brock you are talking about?

I did laugh pretty hard at the #4 p4p Brock Lesnar ranking, then I felt . He's not very good. Just more ogre'r.

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

You mean the Brock who just submitted a legit top 5 HW, who TKO'd another legit top 5 HW before that and before that TKO'd the defending 3 time UFC HW Champion? Is that the Brock you are talking about?

Yeah I'm talking about ranking a man who isn't to 50 P4P in the world on this list. I still think Fedor is the best fighter in the world. IMO this isn't college football where a loss takes you down the rankings that fast. We don't reset with a new season every year. You can't forget about years and years and years of winning and winning and winning....but wait this guy just won yesterday he must be the best right? I can't stand the ignorance in voting, can't even believe I'm taking the time to post in here.

Well since I am having to defend Brock, I just pointed out that in his last three fights, he defeated 3 legit top 5 HWs. Fedor lost to a legit top 10 in Werdum, KO'd a very questionable top 10 opponent in Rogers, he KO'd a legit top 10 questionable top 5 in chinless Arlovski. I mean if you want to pile on his creds from the old Pride days, which is your option, then we have to give greater credit to Brock because of how he handled Mir in their 2nd meeting after Mir beat-up Big Nog, right?

How do you define pound for pound?

wight, power, stamina, skill, etc. Fedor's beer gut counted against him in my poll.

If Chael Sonnen beats Anderson, Anderson is still the best MW in the world.
GSP was still the best WW in the world when he lost to Serra. I never moved him from #1...didn't GSP prove me to be right?
I still have BJ at #1 despite his loss.
Like I said I have a problem with people ranking MMA like college football, you don't have seasons, nothing resets. Wins don't disapear when the year is over.
I feel the same way about Fedor that I do about GSP, Anderson and BJ. They could all slip up and lose and still be the best in the world.
That is my line of thinking on the subject. I was wrong by keeping Faber at #1 after his 1st loss to MTB, I could be wrong here, I also did the same for Torres. Those guys proved me to be wrong. But I don't penalize dominate champions for 1 loss until they prove it was no fluke.

Well you got one right. Weight, stamina and strength have nothing to do with pound for pound. Pound for pound is a measure of fighters skill regardless of their physical attributes.

I will take your opinion's into advisement.

That's not an opinion it is a pretty known and established method utilized by people who do this kind of stuff for a living.

Well if it has nothing to do with weight and strength, then it should not be pound for pound then. You can call it whatever the fuck you want and try to draw up the pertinent facts, but wording it that way and describing it another is fucking retarded.

Serious? I'm not making up anything, this is common knowledge. Your own rankings contradict your off perspective.

There are various perspectives on what pound for pound stands for, however, I am not trying to be contradicting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_for_pound

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

wight, power, stamina, skill, etc. Fedor's beer gut counted against him in my poll.

what do you mean when you say you factor weight into the equation?

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

Well since I am having to defend Brock, I just pointed out that in his last three fights, he defeated 3 legit top 5 HWs. Fedor lost to a legit top 10 in Werdum, KO'd a very questionable top 10 opponent in Rogers, he KO'd a legit top 10 questionable top 5 in chinless Arlovski. I mean if you want to pile on his creds from the old Pride days, which is your option, then we have to give greater credit to Brock because of how he handled Mir in their 2nd meeting after Mir beat-up Big Nog, right?

Just so u are aware there Andrew, AA has been KO'd 6 times in 23 fights. While Mir has been KO'd 5 times in 18 fights. A very similar KO%(AA's actualyl a tad lower). Both dudes have questionable chins.

IDK about that last argument Cap. When AA got hit hard once he was down. Both Brock and Carwin had to chop him down a bit before the KO, but a fair point.

As far as weight, I should have put conditioning, I hope that clears that up.

Light Heavyweight-

01. Mauricio Rua
02. Lyoto Machida
03. Rashad Evans
04. Quinton Jackson
05. Jon Jones
06. Forrest Griffin
07. Muhammed Lawal
08. Gegard Mousasi
09. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
10. Thiago Silva

would it be wrong to put Jones #2?

I'd def put him above Page.

Until the top 4 lose to someone outside the top 4 they will remain the top 4.

I dont think i put him ahead of machida though.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Until the top 4 lose to someone outside the top 4 they will remain the top 4.

Page did lose to someone outside the top 4.

captain organic wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Until the top 4 lose to someone outside the top 4 they will remain the top 4.

Page did lose to someone outside the top 4.

That was a bullshit decision. Page won that fight hands down.

Jon Jones at 5 ?? Come on I know he's been impressive but he's outside the top five.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

captain organic wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Until the top 4 lose to someone outside the top 4 they will remain the top 4.

Page did lose to someone outside the top 4.

That was a bullshit decision. Page won that fight hands down.

eh, I'm def putting bones above page.