Wolf on BE radio

Lol.

LMAO

Wolf tore that up. That was embarrassing. I would've liked to hear you bring up those points with somebody credible like Breen who actually would've had things to say

Wolf= Mathew Perry
Host= Chris Farley

I take it though I've sold most of the forum on why SF will be retained at this point...?

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I take it though I've sold most of the forum on why SF will be retained at this point...?

I like to think I put the fire in Wolf, you're welcome.

did you listen OU?

Wolfgangsta wrote:

did you listen OU?

No I didn't see the thread until this morning and I got yanked into a meeting and just got out. But I plan on giving it a listen when I get home.

You sound young Wolf.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I take it though I've sold most of the forum on why SF will be retained at this point...?

lol, not quite.

Ali wrote:

You sound young Wolf.

Everytime he ko's somebody his life source is replenished like in highlander

Ali wrote:

You sound young Wolf.

i called dibs!

killerofchicken wrote:

Ali wrote:

You sound young Wolf.

i called dibs!

I call dibs on his wife after you two come out of the closet.

Sorry guys, I was working, it wasn't me...

freakzilla wrote:

Ali wrote:

You sound young Wolf.

Everytime he ko's somebody his life source is replenished like in highlander

Funniest thing you've ever said!

There can only be one !!!!!!

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I take it though I've sold most of the forum on why SF will be retained at this point...?

I think you make a good arguement. I just personally don't think Showtime will want to continue with Strikeforce once the contract is up thus Zuffa won't. I don't argue the value that Strikeforce would have in Zuffa's eyes, but most of that value is within the TV deal with Showtime.

Strikeforce is officially a feeder league now and Zuffa won't allow it to be anymore than that. Showtime has tried to deliever top level MMA from the jump. I understand that it would be starting over, but i think Showtime does want to build a competing brand of MMA for their channels and Strikeforce is no longer that. Showtime wants to be able to promote fights that they can call some of the best fighters in the world...in a year, if Strikeforce is still on Showtime it will be obvious to anybody that is not the case and if they were some of the elite fighters than UFC would have signed them by that time.

Thats why Lorenzo says they will have to reevaluate Strikeforce because there is a strong possibility that there will no longer be a TV deal for Strikeforce. Thus keeping them afloat as a feeder league won't hold as much value for prospects, women fighters as being on TV for Bellator, whatever lands on Showtime, or ProElite when they are on TV.

The fact that Strikeforce does good ratings for now while they still are having cards with name value won't factor into Showtime's final decision...because if Showtime looks into the future. They know they likely won't have much recognizable name value on their cards Strikeforce was purchased by Zuffa no more than a few months ago and already Overeem: GONE. Diaz: GONE. Fedor: GONE. Hendo:GONE...Showtime might figure, if we're not gonna have name value..we might as well start anew with a different promotion and we can build name value and not have is sucked out of it right if and when they are becoming stars. Stiikeforce may have established a brand name but that brand name is now synonomous with feeder league and that is just not what Showtime is looking for if you ask me...it's not all what Zuffa would want...

....and this is already assuming Zuffa is all about a new deal with Showtime, which we can't be that sure of because we know Zuffa always wants THEIR deal, and Showtime is accustomed to having THEIR deal as well. Their contract does not have much time left on it, and we have hear just about dick about any possible negotiations for a new one. Everything from the Zuffa side of things carries a complete "Waiting it out" tone while Showtime has pretty much continued promoting the main thing they were promoting BEFORE SF was bought out.

to sum up all that: While i see how Zuffa might want to keep Strikeforce afloat for various reasons ESPECIALLY if they still have the Showtime deal....I fail to see many good reasons why Showtime would want to keep Strikeforce when they have proven twice now to find ratings success with start up promotions with low name value and build them to the point commercially where they arent considered feeder leagues...which Strikeforce is pretty much after Melendez, the rest of the GP, a couple light heavies, and Jacare are sucked out of Strikeforce.

I see them moving to Spike anyway.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I see them moving to Spike anyway.

You don't think Bellator has the inside track to that spot? Maybe SPIKE is still a little bitter and doesn't want another Zuffa company? Possible, but no where close to a sure thing.

Really? shit, I see them staying on Showtime before i see them moving to Spike.

Once again, Spike is gonna go from home of UFC to home of UFC feeder league? This in light of reported bitter negotiations between Spike and Zuffa and Zuffa decision to take the UFC and that faggy reality show OFF Spike? Ther top rated shows. After they are done slapping themselves in the face why don't they just stick their heads in the toilet and flush it before asking for a second helping of noogies and melvins.

If they are gonna find a new deal for Strikeforce, it will be within their current deal with Fox...Spike and Showtime arent dying to be associated with UFC so much that they'll take an official secondary promotion that will never move forward and is at the mercy of of another organization on another channel. Versus may have taken it but then they were getting a product that nobody was getting anywhere else...UFC didnt have FW and BW...so they knew they were getting the best and they could promote the best and they knew Zuffa was behind it..which they were until ratings started to blow. Thats not the case with this product.

Showtime and Spike have both established themselves has homes for MMA. Both will look to start anew IMO.

My take is, if Strikeforce stays afloat without Showtime and Zuffa decides it's so worth it to keep them around, they'll get a deal on a low level station(Fuel) as part of the framework of the current Fox deal.

I think the perceived lack of value to a puny castrated feeder league has been so over stated that the entire debate cannot continue on good faith.

I respond to some of that premise in my blog post.

Wolf I still think they shut SF down but i definitely think u bring up a very good arguement about why it wont be shut down.

Ali wrote:

You sound young Wolf.

Same