War On Drugs.

Didn't want to hijack the smoke topic with downer H addiction stuff so I'll jump it over here.


But Im not totally against the war on drugs. Seeing as how I've seen the ruin that drugs can bring, Im not all that into making it legal.

Yes there is the bonus of redirecting the $$$ away from dealers and growers/chemists, a good portion of whom do other shit that are brutally illegal, murders etc.

And yeah, taxing it, and thus bringing in tax $$$, while saving $$$ by not policing it, on paper looks like a win for gov't, and the tax payers.

But I don't know if making this stuff more accessible is the solution. I don't want Heroin to be easier to get.

Im not even 100% for making marijuana legal. Personally I do smoke, and at least 50% of the people I know smoke, so why does it need to be legal. It is now so easy to get, and as long as u are not an idiot, u will prob never have to worry about getting busted. And while I have not seen it ruin people the way hard drugs do, I have seen it make people much less productive. My main thing though, again would be accessibility, especially to younger kids. Yes they smoke it now so it's not opening pandora's box per se, but having lived through it and knowing a bunch of guys who stopped playing sports in order to take up a pot habit, I'm not rushing towards making it easier for kids to get.

And Im anti cigarette too, so it's hard to be pro pot but anti cigarette.

The main problem around here for the past few years has been what they call "Ice". I know plenty of people I went to school with and some family members that have been caught up in that. Sad to see people you have known for years turn into completely different people and obviously struggling. My cousin spent 2 years in prison for both meth and other stupid shit resulting from the meth use. Still have some friends I have known from elementary that are gone off that shit.

Ice is meth?

I've tried it years ago. Just a couple times. I remember liking it. It was pretty wild the effect such a tiny amount of that stuff would provide.

Luckily i've never had an addictive personality. Never really had a binger on any drug. Was always able to do my share and then walk away.

captain organic wrote:

Ice is meth?

I've tried it years ago. Just a couple times. I remember liking it. It was pretty wild the effect such a tiny amount of that stuff would provide.

Luckily i've never had an addictive personality. Never really had a binger on any drug. Was always able to do my share and then walk away.

Yeah Ice is meth. I'm not real drug savvy so I don't know if there are different forms of meth? But I do know the shit that was popular was referred to as "Ice". Like I said I have never seen it before, never even had the temptation to even give it a try. I saw the effects of the drug at an early age and I don't want any part of that. Besides I'm a very laid back person and this just wouldn't mesh right with me.

The war on drugs has to end all drugs should be legal imo. If someone is dumb enough to want to kill themselves with the hard drugs then peace out, these people are going to kill themselves with it whether it's legal or not trust me I know. We should increase the penalties for dui's, child indangerment, public intoxication, selling to minors, and the like, and I mean increase the fuck out of those penalties.

Who knows what good we could do with the money we would save in law enforcement, housing prisoners charged with possession, not to mention the money we'd bring in with the tax on the drugs that aren't dangerous.

My stepdad really changed my opinion of people who get hooked on these hard drugs, when I was younger I thought of my real dad as this victim of these evil drugs that stole my father. My stepdad had been a coke addict too(yeah my childhood rocked ) but it was him beating his addiction that showed me that these people can get off that shit.

My mom took his ass(stepdad) to a specialist and this doctor told my mom she might as well leave this junky because he was as addicted as anyone he'd ever seen, told her he would die a junky. But he beat it, not with the help of a doctor, he didn't need rehab, he just loved us enough to quit man that's it. My stepdad is my example of when it's time to step up and be a fuckin man you do what you gotta do for your family.

So when I see these people hooked and saying "I just can't quit" I just see a weak, selfish, sorry excuse for a human being. Even when it's someone I love

MMAEYES wrote:

My stepdad really changed my opinion of people who get hooked on these hard drugs, when I was younger I thought of my real dad as this victim of these evil drugs that stole my father. My stepdad had been a coke addict too(yeah my childhood rocked ) but it was him beating his addiction that showed me that these people can get off that shit.

My mom took his ass(stepdad) to a specialist and this doctor told my mom she might as well leave this junky because he was as addicted as anyone he'd ever seen, told her he would die a junky. But he beat it, not with the help of a doctor, he didn't need rehab, he just loved us enough to quit man that's it. My stepdad is my example of when it's time to step up and be a fuckin man you do what you gotta do for your family.

So when I see these people hooked and saying "I just can't quit" I just see a weak, selfish, sorry excuse for a human being. Even when it's someone I love

Most of the people I know that are "hooked" are fairly young. The amount of money they can make in a short amount of time is a major factor. It's definitely a major part of the addiction for them. When you start stacking money and you are on drugs you start to think you are really somebody. Just the life style they fall into makes it that much harder for them to give it up. There is literally nothing else in the world they can do to make that kind of money that fast.

That's very true OU and that's one of the things that would stop if the war on drugs ended.

MMAEYES wrote:

So when I see these people hooked and saying "I just can't quit" I just see a weak, selfish, sorry excuse for a human being. Even when it's someone I love

I'll agree with weak. cause if u are hooked, u r def weaker then the addiction. But selfish? I dunno, Im not sure if a selfish person wants to ruin their lives. They are def not thinking of others, no argument there, but they are not thinking of themselves either. It's all about the addiction.

Sorry excuse sounds like name calling.



And I don't know if Im buying into the "If people want to ruin there lives let them" line of thought. We all make mistakes in life, we all do stupid things, and knowing this, do we want to lay an addictive(key word here) drug on the table for someone to dabble with? Where a seemingly innocent curiousity now, can turn into an uncontrollable addiction later?

Not to mention people in various vulnerable states including kids, mentally unstable or the just plain unintelligent.

Granted drugs are available now, people can get them if they really want them, so why spend all this $$$ in trying to deter in what in some cases is the inevitable? But not all cases are inevitable, and r we that attached to our $$$ that we won't spend $$$ to help keep people healthy?

captain organic wrote:

I dunno, Im not sure if a selfish person wants to ruin their lives.

Don't you think someone who kills themselves is selfish, I do. A Junky is someone who tortures their family and friends by killing themselves slowly infront of them. Look the only junkies I feel bad for are the kids that take something they know nothing about and end up fucked up but the people who knew what the fuck they were trying the first time they tried it get no sympathy from me. I believe they all could quit right now if they really wanted to. It might be the hardest thing they do but it can be done I've seen it with my own mmaeyes lol

captain organic wrote:

Ice is meth?

I've tried it years ago. Just a couple times. I remember liking it. It was pretty wild the effect such a tiny amount of that stuff would provide.

Luckily i've never had an addictive personality. Never really had a binger on any drug. Was always able to do my share and then walk away.

Same here. I have done (and do) my fair share of cocaine but have never felt in a position where I'm hooked at all. Unfortunately some people I know aren't the same way

As for the broader topic, I am for the legalization of marijuana and possibly some other less hardcore stuff as well but for certain nothing serious. Marijuana isn't hard to track down and kids who really seek it out can find other shit too, but I'm not in favor of H, coke, etc being easier to get for high school kids

Methheads are the new heroin addicts and we need to support our meth lab owners and not the Taliban.


I'm for legal pot only. If I can buy cigs and beer, I should be able to buy a sack if I want.

I would cert not be bent out of shape if Pot was legal. I'm sure I'd be enjoying the benefits if such legislation were passed.

But I won't be marching on washington to get it done either.

MMAEYES wrote:

captain organic wrote:

I dunno, Im not sure if a selfish person wants to ruin their lives.

Don't you think someone who kills themselves is selfish, I do. A Junky is someone who tortures their family and friends by killing themselves slowly infront of them. Look the only junkies I feel bad for are the kids that take something they know nothing about and end up fucked up but the people who knew what the fuck they were trying the first time they tried it get no sympathy from me. I believe they all could quit right now if they really wanted to. It might be the hardest thing they do but it can be done I've seen it with my own mmaeyes lol

I usually see someone who kills themselves as someone who is not in their right mind. I see that as someone who needs help. Again this points to weakness, I agree there. Some people, eventually, are strong enough to get out, some are not. But I have a hard time believing that anyone, in their right mind, would want to live the life of a junky.

The War on Drugs is just like the War on Terror. An unwinable never ending war that undermines personal lliberty, helps actually create violence through black market drug cartels, and drians our economy.

Drugs are not getting harder to get. They are getting easier to get. For whoever wants them, wherever they are. We spend a ridiculous amount of money arresting and locking up non-violent offenders for drugs and our prison sysytem is overpopulated. And yet drug use is on the rise.

Instead of spending all this money fighting certain drugs, just to tell you to buy these FDA approved drugs from major pharma companies, we should stop and think big picture about this topic. These same companies and the alcohol companies are the same people putting anti-pot smoking commercials on tv. And that is proven. It is also porven that the CIA inports cocaine and heroin and gives guns to the mexican drug cartels. Kind of a double standard isn't it?

The people who are gonna do hardcore drugs are gonna do them wether they get their score from a thug dealer in your neighborhood or from a government regulated facility.

Even Chris Rock has some common sense on this... as well as ron paul

MMAEYES wrote:

So when I see these people hooked and saying "I just can't quit" I just see a weak, selfish, sorry excuse for a human being. Even when it's someone I love

It's actually deeper then just being weak minded, which I've ripped tons of users for, the hard drugs change their body chemistry so they endup actually needing the drugs or having an intense feeling like they do, they bind to receptor sites and that's why they're are drugs like soboxone which block the effects.

Good topic, I'll give a thought when I have more time.

LA wrote:

MMAEYES wrote:

So when I see these people hooked and saying "I just can't quit" I just see a weak, selfish, sorry excuse for a human being. Even when it's someone I love

It's actually deeper then just being weak minded, which I've ripped tons of users for, the hard drugs change their body chemistry so they endup actually needing the drugs or having an intense feeling like they do, they bind to receptor sites and that's why they're are drugs like soboxone which block the effects.

I know what the drugs do to them but the point is they can beat it, if they don't then their weak imo

Tough to say unless you were a junkie, I simply know the reality of it, and do I think I could beat em, yeah, but I guess it isn't that easy.