GSP vs Nick Diaz: Who has the edge in...

yeah I get it GSP is god and Nick is an overrated bum that has no real skills. Noted.

OU wrote:

yeah I get it GSP is god and Nick is an overrated bum that has no real skills. Noted.

Where did I say this? Diaz nuthuggers get so testy. Diaz is one of the best WW's around, but match ups rule the day my friend and in this case dictate GSP being an overwhelming prohibitive favorite as he was against all the top WW's he faced.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

OU wrote:

yeah I get it GSP is god and Nick is an overrated bum that has no real skills. Noted.

Where did I say this? Diaz nuthuggers get so testy. Diaz is one of the best WW's around, but match ups rule the day my friend and in this case dictate GSP being an overwhelming prohibitive favorite as he was against all the top WW's he faced.

You GSP nut huggers are laughable. His speed is unhuman. If you want to tell me GSP will be able to take Diaz down at will and avoid any submission attempts then I have no problem with that. But some of you guys are taking things too far with all these GSP advantages. I'm hoping they are able to slow things down for us so we are able to keep up the the movements of GSP.

What isn't true about the rest of it? Since when is Diaz faster than GSP? Diaz get's hit often in his bouts and GSP almost never. Diaz relies on brawling exchanges for his stand up victories and GSP never ever exchanges ever. Ever. Never ever does he ever do that ever. Not ever. He never does this. Not once ever has he ever done this in the UFC ever. Never. That has never ever ever happened. Never. It has never happened ever. Never.






ever.













Never.







Thinking back to the second Noons fight, I remember commenting during the bout that Noons was fighting a retarded fight, sitting in the pocket eating shot after shot looking for the massive hook like he did against Mr. Jorge Frausto.

Does anyone really foresee GSP cradled up against the cage like a baby eating body shot after body shot? Really? With all the advantages GSP has standing - speed, footwork, style and takedowns - Diaz will just not be able to play the game he plays. Even if Diaz was a better striker, the takedowns neutralize that anyway.


Counter arguments?

Sorry but when you call him 3 times as fast, give GSP the advantage in every single aspect of a MMA fight, declare GSP to be in the top 5 strikers in all of MMA in the class of Spider and Machida who would walk through everyone in a K-1 style tourney with no threats of takedowns. I tend to think you have your mouth more around GSP's cock then I do Nick's. Let his jock breath bro, you are putting impossible expectations on GSP. Exaggerating is one thing, non stop slurping is another. No counter, this is pointless. I admit numerous times it's nearly impossible for me to be objective on Diaz so I try to avoid the subjects. It's clear you are the same with GSP.

I aint even a GSP fan really and if Diaz K'd him the F O it be great for the division and sport. Things be what they be tho my brother. GSP's speed and deception is what it is. He is one of the more accurate strikers ever and one of the least hit ever on the feet for a reason. And it isn't all just takedowns. That is a convenient cop out for those who don't want to admit how good he is.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I aint even a GSP fan really and if Diaz K'd him the F O it be great for the division and sport. Things be what they be tho my brother. GSP's speed and deception is what it is. He is one of the more accurate strikers ever and one of the least hit ever on the feet for a reason. And it isn't all just takedowns. That is a convenient cop out for those who don't want to admit how good he is.

GSP has great speed and deception(probably the best here). He is one of the more accurate strikers and probably uses the smartest game plan in the game. He is more then just wrestling, which I also feel has been given god status. I'm not saying he isn't extremely good at all these things but IMO people have crossed the line in just how good he is. It's the same thing when I hear people talk about GSP at MW. It's unfair expectations, the same thing that puts him under fire after every fight. GSP is far from unstoppable and I think people are forgetting that and GSP is now a mythical figure similar to what Fedor use to be.

Fedor was unstoppable for almost ten years.

Anyway, GSP may not be unstoppable but if anyone has an over-valued issue it's Diaz because he barely survived Daley and Zaromskis and very clearly uses a striking strategy that is probably the worst possible game plan to beat GSP with.


STANDANDBANG where you play chin for chin punch for punch is gonna work on GSP? Really?

Nick Diaz has never beaten a top 10 fighter. GSP has beaten 13 (Hughes and Penn both counted twice).

Nick has beat top ten fighters dude

Considering Paul Daley is still top ten even today that is idiotic. Also, the fights he lost in the UFC were classics he barely lost to nothing but cream of the crop dudes.

Wrestling- GSP
Boxing- NICK
Kick Boxing- GSP
BJJ- NICK
Stamina- GSP
Chin- nick
Heart- GSP
Mentally Stronger- GSP
Cut Immunity- Nick is a bleeder who cuts so easy. GSP will turn his face into hamburger by end of round three.

GSP has more discipline than Diaz but not seeing the mentally stronger angle. GSP would seem to rattle more easily when some adversity got tossed in his face

bobbitt15 wrote:

GSP has more discipline than Diaz but not seeing the mentally stronger angle. GSP would seem to rattle more easily when some adversity got tossed in his face

I disagree. I bet GSP will break Nick down. Just because Nick is able to taunt guys after he gets socked in the face doesn't mean he is mentally stronger. I think GSP easily takes that category. GSP is constantly keeping himself in check each second of the fight. If anyone, GSP goes into a zone better than any fighter I can think of. Since the Serra fight he seems like a fight robot constantly thinking of what to do right to keep the fight in his favor. He never breaks from a gameplan. We can't say the same for Nick who will toss aside a gameplan to brawl at the drop of a straw.

Wrestling-GSP
Boxing-Diaz
Kick Boxing-Diaz
BJJ-Diaz
Stamina-GSP
Chin-DRAW
Heart-DRAW
Mentally Stronger-DRAW
Cut Immunity-GSP


All this equals......very good fight in October.

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

GSP has more discipline than Diaz but not seeing the mentally stronger angle. GSP would seem to rattle more easily when some adversity got tossed in his face

I disagree. I bet GSP will break Nick down. Just because Nick is able to taunt guys after he gets socked in the face doesn't mean he is mentally stronger. I think GSP easily takes that category. GSP is constantly keeping himself in check each second of the fight. If anyone, GSP goes into a zone better than any fighter I can think of. Since the Serra fight he seems like a fight robot constantly thinking of what to do right to keep the fight in his favor. He never breaks from a gameplan. We can't say the same for Nick who will toss aside a gameplan to brawl at the drop of a straw.

GSP will break Nick down because he's better, not because of mental toughness. And Nick's gameplan for his past like 6 opponents has been to just lure them into a brawl and then watch as they gas out before the 2 minute mark of the first round. Job well done

Wrestling-
Boxing-
Kick Boxing-
BJJ-
Stamina-
Chin-
Heart-
Mentally Stronger-
Cut Immunity -


Only Stamina, Heart and Mental strength are really worth questioning, say they're all about even.

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

GSP has more discipline than Diaz but not seeing the mentally stronger angle. GSP would seem to rattle more easily when some adversity got tossed in his face

I disagree. I bet GSP will break Nick down. Just because Nick is able to taunt guys after he gets socked in the face doesn't mean he is mentally stronger. I think GSP easily takes that category. GSP is constantly keeping himself in check each second of the fight. If anyone, GSP goes into a zone better than any fighter I can think of. Since the Serra fight he seems like a fight robot constantly thinking of what to do right to keep the fight in his favor. He never breaks from a gameplan. We can't say the same for Nick who will toss aside a gameplan to brawl at the drop of a straw.

good post bbc.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

GSP has more discipline than Diaz but not seeing the mentally stronger angle. GSP would seem to rattle more easily when some adversity got tossed in his face

I disagree. I bet GSP will break Nick down. Just because Nick is able to taunt guys after he gets socked in the face doesn't mean he is mentally stronger. I think GSP easily takes that category. GSP is constantly keeping himself in check each second of the fight. If anyone, GSP goes into a zone better than any fighter I can think of. Since the Serra fight he seems like a fight robot constantly thinking of what to do right to keep the fight in his favor. He never breaks from a gameplan. We can't say the same for Nick who will toss aside a gameplan to brawl at the drop of a straw.

good post bbc.

I had to make up for it after being buried from the hole you and OU dug for me.

lol

GDPofDRC wrote:

Nick has beat top ten fighters dude

Daley is borderline top 10. Name 1 other he has beaten.

freakzilla wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

Nick has beat top ten fighters dude

Daley is borderline top 10. Name 1 other he has beaten.

Zaromskis was 12th on the list when they fought on the consensus rankings and I believe he was 10th or so on the NP rankings. Sakurai has had a rough patch but was still a good win. Daley was top ten. So what is your point, who else is there?

Wolfgangsta wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

Nick has beat top ten fighters dude

Daley is borderline top 10. Name 1 other he has beaten.

Zaromskis was 12th on the list when they fought on the consensus rankings and I believe he was 10th or so on the NP rankings. Sakurai has had a rough patch but was still a good win. Daley was top ten. So what is your point, who else is there?

Yeah and he whooped Kj Noons. He might not be top ten but KJ could KO any top 10 guy in the world and is a top guy in the LW or WW division. It isn't like that was a bad fight for Nick. Nick Diaz has proved himself with the competition he has had since leaving UFC. He is in his prime and is one of the top WW's in the World. I just think he is a step behind GSP and it is gonna be a one sided victory. Oh and Nick beat Frank Shamrock down and made him look as bad as Cung did. That's always a plus in my book.

Wrestling- GSP
Boxing- Diaz
Kick Boxing- GSP
BJJ- Diaz
Stamina- GSP I have never seen him tired
Chin- Diaz
Heart- even I have seen nothing in either of them to say one is better then the other

Mentally Stronger- GSP Diaz lets people get under his skin too easily, and tries to beat people at their game cause of his ego, that will cost him in this fight if that is how he plays it

Cut Immunity- GSP

Zaromskis was never top 10 in our rankings. My point is Diaz is overrated. All he has beat is mediocre talent and some people actually think he has a chance against GSP? GSP is going to beat him worse than he beat Hardy.