Shaq vs Dream

I can think of about 13 off the top of my head I'd put ahead of him and another ten in his region.

The 13 for now, I'd rather have a more in depth discussion about it another time, I'l make a thread sometime.

West
Kareem
Thomas
Bird
Stockton
Chamberlain
Russell
Erving
Johnson
Robertson
Jordan
Olajuwon
Bryant
Feel like I'm forgetting a few...

GDPofDRC wrote:

West
Kareem
Thomas
Bird
Stockton
Chamberlain
Russell
Erving
Johnson
Robertson
Jordan
Olajuwon
Bryant
Feel like I'm forgetting a few...

Shaq is better than all of them.

Kobe's moved above Shaq to most people, but

Love West but not above Shaq, Isiah? No, Stockton? def not

The rest were the guys I figured you'd come up with even though I'd say no to a couple


One you left off that could be argued that I thought you may put is Duncan, no one else should be mentioned above Shaq.

I include Duncan we got at worst 12th for Shaq

I'll say I'd really like to have a discussion about it with you one day G, I know you know ball, couple others guys I'd want in as well Kings, guys who talk BB ect.

Some magazines' top 50 players all-time-

http://www.slamonline.com/online/the-magazine/features/2009/06/the-new-top-50/

http://thesportscourier.com/content/top-50-nba-players-all-time

My top 10-

01. Michael Jordan
02. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
03. Bill Russell
04. Shaquille O'neal
05. Magic Johnson
06. Larry Bird
07. Wilt Chamberlain
08. Tim Duncan
09. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Kobe Bryant

freakzilla wrote:

Some magazines' top 50 players all-time-

http://www.slamonline.com/online/the-magazine/features/2009/06/the-new-top-50/

http://thesportscourier.com/content/top-50-nba-players-all-time

My top 10-

01. Michael Jordan
02. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
03. Bill Russell
04. Shaquille O'neal
05. Magic Johnson
06. Larry Bird
07. Wilt Chamberlain
08. Tim Duncan
09. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Kobe Bryant

Two random sites, yup it's decided I can find you one that has Kobe #2 def not the case though.


And you can not have Shaq above Magic or Wilt, can not. And Kobe's resume has past a lot of players, you'd be surprised.

LA wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

Some magazines' top 50 players all-time-

http://www.slamonline.com/online/the-magazine/features/2009/06/the-new-top-50/

http://thesportscourier.com/content/top-50-nba-players-all-time

My top 10-

01. Michael Jordan
02. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
03. Bill Russell
04. Shaquille O'neal
05. Magic Johnson
06. Larry Bird
07. Wilt Chamberlain
08. Tim Duncan
09. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Kobe Bryant

Two random sites, yup it's decided I can find you one that has Kobe #2 def not the case though.


And you can not have Shaq above Magic or Wilt, can not. And Kobe's resume has past a lot of players, you'd be surprised.

Definitely agree.

Now that I think about it, Shaq has a good top ten argument, 10-14 range maybe.

i was never comfortable with comparing players from different eras against each other... we'll never know who the absolute best was, as thats reserved for each persons opinion...

Shaq and Dream played in the same era... half, but if your talking all-time surely it's tough, we all know athletes and teams improve over time in sports, but it really comes down to resumes.

LA wrote:

Shaq and Dream played in the same era... half, but if your talking all-time surely it's tough, we all know athletes and teams improve over time in sports, but it really comes down to resumes.

yea i didnt make it clear enough, i was actually responding to Freaks top 10 kinda thingy

Gotta go Shaq. Yeah Dream was more skilled, but Shaq was just more dominant.


4 Titles, 7 appearances. Compared to 2 and 3 for Dream. Yeah Shaq had better supporting casts, but Dream winning his during Jordan's retirement phase hurts. Most take it for granted that Jordan would have 8 titles if not for that.

Stats lean his way also.

heres the major mythical question

if Jordan hadnt retired and Olajowan and the Rockets beat the Bulls in a finals

where does Jordan get ranked, where does Olajowan get ranked

Birdofthad wrote:

heres the major mythical question

if Jordan hadnt retired and Olajowan and the Rockets beat the Bulls in a finals

where does Jordan get ranked, where does Olajowan get ranked

I dont think there is any reason to believe the Bulls wouldnt have won those 2 years as well as the other 6 they did win.

Birdofthad wrote:

heres the major mythical question

if Jordan hadnt retired and Olajowan and the Rockets beat the Bulls in a finals

where does Jordan get ranked, where does Olajowan get ranked

And then we have to ask did dream beat Jordan twice, or do they go 1-1.

2 wins would give Dream a big boost in my mind. 1-1 would actually hurt slightly. 0-2 would put Dream in the Mailman class.

And slight chink in Jordans, if they went 1-1, little bit bigger if 0-2. To see someone beat Jordan during his unbeatable stage changes things. Though if he still followed up with multiple titles the way he it did, then he still tops the charts imo. 2-0 by Jordan, giving him 8 total? Well he's already #1, but at least then we wouldn't have to hear the stupid "is Kobe better then Jordan" debates.

Shaq has his own martial art and has been training in MMA so I am quite convinced he'd win.

Maybe DREAM can get back on it's feet by finally booking Shaq vs. Hong Man Choi

KingsOwn19 wrote:

Maybe DREAM can get back on it's feet by finally booking Shaq vs. Hong Man Choi

Shit how did I miss that angle.

Bulls went to the ECF without Jordan one of the years, add back MJ, 2 more Chips

LA wrote:

Bulls went to the ECF without Jordan one of the years, add back MJ, 2 more Chips

Agreed.

captain organic wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

heres the major mythical question

if Jordan hadnt retired and Olajowan and the Rockets beat the Bulls in a finals

where does Jordan get ranked, where does Olajowan get ranked

And then we have to ask did dream beat Jordan twice, or do they go 1-1.

2 wins would give Dream a big boost in my mind. 1-1 would actually hurt slightly. 0-2 would put Dream in the Mailman class.

And slight chink in Jordans, if they went 1-1, little bit bigger if 0-2. To see someone beat Jordan during his unbeatable stage changes things. Though if he still followed up with multiple titles the way he it did, then he still tops the charts imo. 2-0 by Jordan, giving him 8 total? Well he's already #1, but at least then we wouldn't have to hear the stupid "is Kobe better then Jordan" debates.

Bulls would've went 8 straight had Jordan not retired.