Bellator 41 *spoilers*

Easy 10-9 third for Warren. Should be some interesting scorecards

lmao Warren gets a UD and one of the judges had him winning 30-27. Galvao had a real shot to win that...not

I wish my stream didnt go out.

Did Galvao mount any offense in the first 2 rounds to offset Warren's failed takedown attempts?

because remember, a failed takedown attempt is almost as good as a takedown to the US judges.

Galvo won, 1st was close, but Warren looked bad in it.

Yeah kings he landed some serious shots. Couple of great knees to the head, warren has a chin.

I think Pitbull(if he beats Straus) won't play with his food this time and finish Warren in round 1.

Galvao lit him up on the feet in the 2nd round but Warren got a takedown with like 40 seconds left and then didn't land one strike on the ground. Sad

First round Warren tried to take him down and Galvao landed on top every time and took his back a few times. Warren got a takedown with like 20 seconds left that he did nothing with

I hate to bust in on your guys thread but if u have HBO there is a great oxing match on right now. These 2 guys are killing each other lol.

Yeah, i'll try to find video of the fight later but it sounds like the type of decision that makes my blood boil. Sounds like Galvao got hosed.

thanks, crazy fight

timthebim wrote:

I hate to bust in on your guys thread but if u have HBO there is a great oxing match on right now. These 2 guys are killing each other lol.

I don't have HBO...thanks for rubbing my face in it

KingsOwn19 wrote:

timthebim wrote:

I hate to bust in on your guys thread but if u have HBO there is a great oxing match on right now. These 2 guys are killing each other lol.

I don't have HBO...thanks for rubbing my face in it

Sorry. Just wanted to let u guys know there is a great Boxing fight going on. Best 1 I have seen in a while.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Warren_(fighter)

i love looking at "method" on wikipedia after a bad decision.

lol

Couple thoughts.

Pitbull looked good, was super comfortable in the pocket, totally accepted the role of counter puncher, and worked it beautifully. Still prone to getting pushed against the fence and taken down, and I do wish he were a little more aggressive early in the fight. Finished beautifully though.

Strauss looks to have a big size adv. He's a pretty good grinder, I think he'll be able to grind the smaller pit.

Warren vs Galvao, my first thought was weak decision(the 30-27 is straight awful though, he was busted up in that 2nd) but If I remember back to the first, Warren was def landing the much cleaner shots later in the rnd. And yeah Galvao turned a couple of those throws, and he did take Warren's back, but he was never real close to anything nor did he dole out much punishment, so I can see 29-28 in his favor.

Though, let's be honest, it is so much better for Bellator if Warren wins that fight. Fishy? 30-27, and not one judge gave Galvao the first?

Bellator has not yet seen a champ lose a super fight.

also, Warren looked like a BW out there. As do Pitbull and Reis. Galvao, Strauss, the other guy, all significantly bigger guys.

What? Pitbull didnt get taken down the whole fight. He ended up on his back after he jumped for guillotine, he immediatly got back up with the guillotine. That was not a takedown even though Smith mistakenly referred to it as one. It does not happen if Pitbull does not try for a Jake Shields-Robbie Lawler finish. The other time he ended up on his back was when he tried for the RNC when he had Ries's back briefly and lost it and ended up on his back. They were already on the ground.

His TDD was phenomenal in this fight just like it was when he fought Reis last year.

Also, his TDD was great against Warren before he gassed out in the later rounds. Even then, it's not like Warren won the fight on takedowns(i personally don't think Warren won that fight). Warren got him down a couple times and kept him down. To say Patricio is "prone" to gettign taken down as if he never stops them is asinine. He stuffs them far more then he goes down to them. Even to wrestlers like Warren. TDD is not a problem for lil Pitbull...his gas tank is the only weakness i've seen in him so far...but that was really only in the Warren fight..but that could be cause he blew his load in the 1st when Warren's chin didnt go out.

Wow horrible decision for Warren, and did one judge give all Rds to Warren? WTF? It was an easy fight to score, how do they get these wrong?

Anyways Warren and Makovsky aren't even close to ready for the UFC FW and BW divisions.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

What? Pitbull didnt get taken down the whole fight. He ended up on his back after he jumped for guillotine, he immediatly got back up with the guillotine. That was not a takedown even though Smith mistakenly referred to it as one. It does not happen if Pitbull does not try for a Jake Shields-Robbie Lawler finish. The other time he ended up on his back was when he tried for the RNC when he had Ries's back briefly and lost it and ended up on his back. They were already on the ground.

His TDD was phenomenal in this fight just like it was when he fought Reis last year.

Also, his TDD was great against Warren before he gassed out in the later rounds. Even then, it's not like Warren won the fight on takedowns(i personally don't think Warren won that fight). Warren got him down a couple times and kept him down. To say Patricio is "prone" to gettign taken down as if he never stops them is asinine. He stuffs them far more then he goes down to them. Even to wrestlers like Warren. TDD is not a problem for lil Pitbull...his gas tank is the only weakness i've seen in him so far...but that was really only in the Warren fight..but that could be cause he blew his load in the 1st when Warren's chin didnt go out.

I'm predicting Strauss will have Pit on his back enough to win that fight.

got this on DVR, got to watch it this week.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/4/19/2120422/deconstructing-chuck-wolfes-defense-of-30-27-warren

Chuck Wolfe explains why Joe Warren won every single round against Marcus Galvao with snazy commentary by Fagan.


One of the major problems with judging in MMA is that commissions don't seem to hold judges accountable for their scorecards, no matter how atrocious the scoring. In the past, I've proposed that commissions require judges to write a short explanation when they mark their scores at the end of each round. Even something as simple as "Barry showed more effective grappling." That way, the commission has some sort of insight if they need to review an official's performance.

Of course, we've heard explanations from judges on occasion. Following UFC 104, Cecil Peoples announced to the world that leg kicks don't win fights. Then Douglas Crosby indulged us in a Hunter S. Thompson-style stream-of-consciousness rant to explain his 50-45 Edgar card from UFC 112 in the Abu Dhabi desert.

Now it's Chuck Wolfe's turn. Wolfe scored Saturday night's Bellator main event between Joe Warren and Marcos Galvao 30-27 for Warren. This despite a second round that nearly everyone watching scored for Galvao. Let's break down his quotes, provided by Michael David Smith of MMA Fighting:

Although Wolfe declined to go into a detailed blow-by-blow account of the second round, he defended his scorecard and his decision, saying on Tuesday morning that he thought all three rounds in the fight were close, and that in close rounds, something relatively minor can be the difference in a 10-9 score.

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"It could be one takedown different, it could be one punch different, it could be one kick different, it could be one attempted submission different," Wolfe said

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It could be one clinch. It could be one step forward. It could be the twinkle in Joe Warren's eye. It could be the position of the moon in relation to Mars. It could be what I ate for breakfast.

I thought deciding a round based on one minor action wasn't possible. It just doesn't seem like something the human mind was equipped to handle. Imagine trying to keep track of every detail of the fight -- strikes landed, strikes avoided, takedowns, positional grappling, submission attempts -- while analyzing that data simultaneously. That seems like more work than a mere mortal could handle.

Chuck Wolfe must be more than a mere mortal. Some sort of alien superbeing, or the product of a favorable genetic mutation. I want Chuck Wolfe judging every MMA fight from here on out. By himself. Scrap the three judges because Wolfe's got us covered.

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"I've judged and refereed since the beginning of the sport, I've been head official for over 600 different bouts," Wolfe said. "If you want to question my credentials, I think I have way more than anyone out there to be qualified to judge. I know fans get disappointed, but I don't think you're going to have Joe Warren fans complain about how the decision went."

You know who else was happy when a decision went their way? Fans of O.J. Simpson.

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"Did he damage Warren in that fight? Yeah, he did, for a short period of time," Wolfe said. "I remember the bout very clearly. When they are close rounds there's one thing or maybe two things that might put someone ahead. ... You can grade it 10-10 but you might as well not be there if you're not going to score someone to win the round."

The judging equivalent of Jamie Varner's "I came to fight, Ben Henderson came to grapple." It's one thing to avoid using the 10-10 as much as possible (however misguide that notion may be), it's another thing to treat it like an open-sored Tommy Morrison coming at you with a butcher's knife.

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"There are a lot of things that a fan will cheer about outside the cage, but each judge has a different viewpoint and a different angle," Wolfe said. "Unfortunately, judges don't have a replay, don't have a rewind, they just have to judge by what they see."

A reasonable point. Watching MMA live sucks (not the ESPN show, which does not suck) unless you have a top-down view of the cage or you're the referee of the bout. That said, a fighter shouldn't have to worry about leaving it in the hands of the judges, right?

Ultimately, Wolfe said, if Galvao isn't happy with the decision he should look in the mirror, not at the judges.

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"He had three rounds to take Warren out if he really wanted to beat him -- he had three rounds to dominate Warren, as well as Warren had three rounds to dominate him," Wolfe said. "It's up to the fighter. ... Don't leave it in the hands of the judges, especially when it's a close fight."

Translation: "You better go out there and finish because I have no idea what I'm doing."

thats fucked up