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LA Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Coker: Mousasi and Jardine will "probably" meet in a rematch: Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:46 am | |
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KingsOwn19 Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Coker: Mousasi and Jardine will "probably" meet in a rematch: Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:57 am | |
| I think it's clear Mousasi was superior, and only a badly timed upkick and some silly judging hurt him.
Please Scott..Mousasi-Kyle or Mousasi-Feijao. Let's just say Jardine earned a contract. Give him a rematch with Prangley, that in all reality was a far closer fight than this one where an arguement can be made for Jardine. This is just the 10 point must system showing it's flaws when it comes to a three round MMA fight. | |
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Andrew the Raider King Red Belt
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| Subject: Re: Coker: Mousasi and Jardine will "probably" meet in a rematch: Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:10 am | |
| I agree with Kingsown, mostly for the cool sig. | |
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timthebim Platinum Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : BJ PENN, JOSH KOSCHECK, SPIDER Posts : 16809 Join date : 2009-07-15 Age : 42 Location : Detroit
| Subject: Re: Coker: Mousasi and Jardine will "probably" meet in a rematch: Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:42 am | |
| - KingsOwn19 wrote:
- I think it's clear Mousasi was superior, and only a badly timed upkick and some silly judging hurt him.
Please Scott..Mousasi-Kyle or Mousasi-Feijao. Let's just say Jardine earned a contract. Give him a rematch with Prangley, that in all reality was a far closer fight than this one where an arguement can be made for Jardine. This is just the 10 point must system showing it's flaws when it comes to a three round MMA fight. Couldnt agree more. Jardine fought his heart out last night but he isnt in the same league as Mousasi. Mousasi vs Feijao would be a good fight. | |
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throwdownfight1 Blue Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Matt Hughes,Tito Ortiz,Frank Mir Posts : 875 Join date : 2010-10-29 Location : Texas
| Subject: Re: Coker: Mousasi and Jardine will "probably" meet in a rematch: Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:34 am | |
| Wouldnt jardine look a little better in a rematch with a proper training camp. One of the reasons he looked so bad in the later rounds was cus he gassed in the first. Also if jardine is not on the same league as jardine then i guess moussasi isnt on the same level as someone like thiago or bader or hamill, guys that decisively beat or finished a properly trained jardine in his last few trips to the top of the lhw division | |
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captain organic Bronze Belt
Posts : 7730 Join date : 2009-07-15 Location : NJ
| Subject: Re: Coker: Mousasi and Jardine will "probably" meet in a rematch: Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:41 am | |
| Im cool with the draw. If only because Jardine was taking the fight on short notice.. When a bad decision goes to the way of a guy who jumped in at the very last second, I can live when a draw goes his way.
Rematch? I guess. there is unfinished business.
Also, they said Jardine was looking to make a go at 185. | |
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Primetyme199 Brown Belt
Posts : 2916 Join date : 2009-07-30 Location : NJ
| Subject: Re: Coker: Mousasi and Jardine will "probably" meet in a rematch: Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:25 pm | |
| JArdine stated in an interview he was going down to 185. He said it should be pretty easy to make weight since he never watches what he eats or really diets to make 205. With a proper diet I think he can make 185. | |
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Farmer1906 Gold Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Griffin, Franklin, Hendo, Sonnen, Wand, Lawler, Belfort, Pettis, Aldo, Mousasi Posts : 10222 Join date : 2009-07-15 Location : Texas
| Subject: Re: Coker: Mousasi and Jardine will "probably" meet in a rematch: Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:34 pm | |
| I hope they rematch so Mousasi can destroy him again. | |
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timthebim Platinum Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : BJ PENN, JOSH KOSCHECK, SPIDER Posts : 16809 Join date : 2009-07-15 Age : 42 Location : Detroit
| Subject: Re: Coker: Mousasi and Jardine will "probably" meet in a rematch: Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:28 pm | |
| A rematch is a waste of time. | |
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bobbitt15 Gold Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Chael Sonnen, Michael Chandler, Jorge Masvidal, Carlos Condit Posts : 14830 Join date : 2009-07-16 Age : 35 Location : Cincinnati
| Subject: Re: Coker: Mousasi and Jardine will "probably" meet in a rematch: Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:00 pm | |
| Don't really care about a rematch, but totally disappointing effort from Mousasi last night. His wrestling still sucks, and he couldn't finish off a winded dude who's had his lights turned out so many times in the last couple years. | |
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captain organic Bronze Belt
Posts : 7730 Join date : 2009-07-15 Location : NJ
| Subject: Re: Coker: Mousasi and Jardine will "probably" meet in a rematch: Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:20 pm | |
| - bobbitt15 wrote:
- Don't really care about a rematch, but totally disappointing effort from Mousasi last night. His wrestling still sucks, and he couldn't finish off a winded dude who's had his lights turned out so many times in the last couple years.
glad to see im not the only one who feels that Gegard's performance was a let down. | |
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throwdownfight1 Blue Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Matt Hughes,Tito Ortiz,Frank Mir Posts : 875 Join date : 2010-10-29 Location : Texas
| Subject: Re: Coker: Mousasi and Jardine will "probably" meet in a rematch: Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:45 pm | |
| ^^^^+2
It seems like jardine is getting alot of hate for his prefomance wen he was the underdog coming into this on short notice. If anything moussasi didnt look so great against a 2nd string lhw who is quite finishable wen he is given enough time to prepare for a fight | |
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Farmer1906 Gold Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Griffin, Franklin, Hendo, Sonnen, Wand, Lawler, Belfort, Pettis, Aldo, Mousasi Posts : 10222 Join date : 2009-07-15 Location : Texas
| Subject: Re: Coker: Mousasi and Jardine will "probably" meet in a rematch: Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:50 pm | |
| - throwdownfight1 wrote:
- ^^^^+2
It seems like jardine is getting alot of hate for his prefomance wen he was the underdog coming into this on short notice. If anything moussasi didnt look so great against a 2nd string lhw who is quite finishable wen he is given enough time to prepare for a fight Jardine is getting hate because the judges gave him a draw when he had no business getting it. Jardine did better than I expected only because he stayed awake, but really his takedowns and handful of connected punches s all he did the entire fight. He average less than a strike per takedown. | |
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throwdownfight1 Blue Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Matt Hughes,Tito Ortiz,Frank Mir Posts : 875 Join date : 2010-10-29 Location : Texas
| Subject: Re: Coker: Mousasi and Jardine will "probably" meet in a rematch: Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:57 pm | |
| ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
How did he not deserve a draw. The first round was close and moussasi landed a few more than jardine however jardine got 2 takedowns thus getting cage control. That plus the illeagal kick. 10-8 round. Round 2,3 wer moussasis but not once was did jardine stop trying to swing back. Jardine only fought 1 round and that was round 1, a round i can see him winnin without the upkick. He did not fight round 2,3 for he was gassed for taking the fight on short notice, for that a draw is fine. If anything shame on moussasi for never really being close to putting a guy like jardine away. A jardine who came on short notice. | |
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Farmer1906 Gold Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Griffin, Franklin, Hendo, Sonnen, Wand, Lawler, Belfort, Pettis, Aldo, Mousasi Posts : 10222 Join date : 2009-07-15 Location : Texas
| Subject: Re: Coker: Mousasi and Jardine will "probably" meet in a rematch: Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:21 pm | |
| Mousasi was stalking Jardine across the cage for 4 min of the fight. That is cage control. Getting takedowns and doing nothing isn't worth crap unless you keep the fight there. Then you get points for control. | |
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KingsOwn19 Administrator
Favorite Fighter(s) : Lyoto Machida, BJ Penn, Anderson Silva,Dan Henderson, Emelianenko Fedor, Josh Barnett Posts : 12421 Join date : 2009-07-16 Location : Northern California
| Subject: Re: Coker: Mousasi and Jardine will "probably" meet in a rematch: Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:03 pm | |
| It's amazing to me how many people think Jardine put on an even performance to Gegard in that fight. Also, he may of came in on short notice but you don't score points for that.
Even with the 4 takedowns fight metric has Mousasi in round 1 by a fuckin landslide..A LANDSLIDE...they saw the same fight that mostly everybody else, including the first judge saw. It's a fuckin joke.
Being disappointed in Gegard? fine, we expected a KO and watching him get taken down by Jardine sucked...Jardine deserves a draw simply because he wasnt knocked out and he came in on short notice?...please stop watching.
Capt, you being one of the bigger critics of the judging system on this forum should be able to agree that Jardine did absolutley nothing in that fight...i can't believe you are buying his takedowns as any match to the damage Mousasi inflicted on him though 15 minutes.
I don't disagree with people saying Mousasi performance was overall disappointing. He should have been very agressive against a guy who typically folds against agressiveness..Jardine typically makes it to the end with guys that just look to pick him apart(see Rampage, who was not impressive vs. Jardine but came closer to legitimately losing than Gegard did). As much as people are talking about Jardine's tank. Mousasi appeared to be tired as well...i was disappointed, but i still saw the fight. He didnt knock him out, but he put him through the grinder for 15 minutes. The only damage Jardine did was land a knee. Those takedowns were for shit and hurt Jardine more than it did Mousasi..except in the eyes of uneducated judges. Hopefully guys like Almeida take over. | |
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captain organic Bronze Belt
Posts : 7730 Join date : 2009-07-15 Location : NJ
| Subject: Re: Coker: Mousasi and Jardine will "probably" meet in a rematch: Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:34 pm | |
| Im not saying it was a good decision. But given the point deduction was it that bizarro?
And it's not an L on Gegard's record, it's a draw. which im cool with, if only for the karmic justice allowed to Jardine for a) taking the fight on super short notice and b)surviving a pretty brutal beating in a fight in which he was gassed very early(because of a).
as far as how my criticism of the overall point scoring systems, and how it relates to this fight, it would be if anyone were to give Jardine a 10-9 first, then rnd 3, HAS to be a 10-8 Gegard. If not 10-7. but that is a different argument entirely.
and none of this has any relevance when looking ahead to a possible rematch. I can't help but think Jardine would be in much better position to suceed given a full training camp. Could he have continued to take Gegard down if he did not gas, could his gnp be more effective in a rematch, would Jardine be able to take the fight to Gegard, a guy we have seen tire on at least one occasion, late in a fight? I can't rule it out.
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cascade_run Purple Belt
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| Subject: Re: Coker: Mousasi and Jardine will "probably" meet in a rematch: Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:56 pm | |
| Full training camp and he has been in there once with him, same with Gegard, I would expect a better fight out of Jardine, but his lack of real power and Gegard's superior striking will only take him so far, it was a good fight and a rematch should be as good if not better with him fully trained, Jardine does come to fight and for him gassing in the 1st he made it to the end. Is it neccesary, probably not since Jardine is on the downside and Gegard should be on his way back up, but could be interesting | |
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LA Platinum Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Lyoto Machida, BJ Penn, Anderson Silva, Jose Aldo Posts : 15046 Join date : 2009-07-15 Age : 37 Location : Boston, Mass and Los Angeles, California
| Subject: Re: Coker: Mousasi and Jardine will "probably" meet in a rematch: Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:42 am | |
| Mousasi thought the draw was warranted
But, in the 1st Rd, where this fight was decided, in terms of the draw, Mousasi was very quiet and losing the Rd through the first 3:30 minutes. Jardine was scoring off leg kicks and weak counter strikes, and yes takedowns that resulted in nothing. Then the upkick occurs, pt taken, and Mousasi turned it up, but based off the early portion of the Rd it's not crazy to say 10-8 Jardine, and therefore a draw... | |
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killerofchicken Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Coker: Mousasi and Jardine will "probably" meet in a rematch: Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:44 am | |
| I hate this rematch, i know who the better fighter is and would like for these dudes to face some new blood, jardine can hit 185 and let mousasi face a contender | |
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OU Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Coker: Mousasi and Jardine will "probably" meet in a rematch: Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:51 am | |
| Jardine did say he was heading to MW. Let him fight Robbie Lawler. | |
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GDPofDRC Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Coker: Mousasi and Jardine will "probably" meet in a rematch: Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:17 pm | |
| There is ZERO need for a rematch which is unfortunate. Mousasi destroyed Jardine. | |
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killerofchicken Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Coker: Mousasi and Jardine will "probably" meet in a rematch: Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:24 pm | |
| How is it that Jardine thinks he won? WTF?! | |
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Primetyme199 Brown Belt
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| Subject: Re: Coker: Mousasi and Jardine will "probably" meet in a rematch: Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:13 pm | |
| - killerofchicken wrote:
- How is it that Jardine thinks he won? WTF?!
Too many shots to the head does that kind of thing to you. | |
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bobbitt15 Gold Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Chael Sonnen, Michael Chandler, Jorge Masvidal, Carlos Condit Posts : 14830 Join date : 2009-07-16 Age : 35 Location : Cincinnati
| Subject: Re: Coker: Mousasi and Jardine will "probably" meet in a rematch: Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:14 pm | |
| - LA wrote:
- Mousasi thought the draw was warranted
But, in the 1st Rd, where this fight was decided, in terms of the draw, Mousasi was very quiet and losing the Rd through the first 3:30 minutes. Jardine was scoring off leg kicks and weak counter strikes, and yes takedowns that resulted in nothing. Then the upkick occurs, pt taken, and Mousasi turned it up, but based off the early portion of the Rd it's not crazy to say 10-8 Jardine, and therefore a draw... Said that as soon as the fight was over. Was fully expecting a draw | |
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