Jon Fitch thinks he's better than Jake Shields

Jon is 100% right here. He is the more deserving fighter for the title but Jake was the smarter business move. I realize Jon got his ass beat by GSP but Jon has won so many fights in the UFC, he beat everyone infront of him not named GSP.

Regardless of the outcome Jon does deserve a rematch with GSP more than anyone deserves a fight with him imo even over Kos

MMAEYES wrote:

Regardless of the outcome Jon does deserve a rematch with GSP more than anyone deserves a fight with him imo even over Kos

Yeah it might be a situation like Spider-Ace. Fitch might be the 2nd best WW in the world, but just might not have the tools to dethrone GSP.

True but I'm not one of those people who thinks Ace should never get to fight Anderson again. I know he isn't because the ufc talked him into moving up and it probably won't be smart for Ace to fight Anderson again, hell I wouldn't want to see it. But I think if you beat eveybody else in a weightclass and you want to fight that dude who almost killed you, you should get to.

MMAEYES wrote:

True but I'm not one of those people who thinks Ace should never get to fight Anderson again. I know he isn't because the ufc talked him into moving up and it probably won't be smart for Ace to fight Anderson again, hell I wouldn't want to see it. But I think if you beat eveybody else in a weightclass and you want to fight that dude who almost killed you, you should get to.

Yeah and the difference there is Fitch was never Champion. Which is why Ace got 2 cracks at Spider. But Fitch has put in a ton of work and won a ton of fights in the UFC, he deserves another shot.

Oh yeah plus a lose to BJ isn't gonna help him get a shot at GSP lol.

Grappling is pretty even.

Takedowns i'd give a slight edge to Fitch

Standing i'd give the edge to Shields...but that isnt saying much because neither guy is very good with their standup.

Come on Regret Fitch has better standup than Shields. Jake has no standup at all Jon atleast has some.

MMAEYES wrote:

Come on Regret Fitch has better standup than Shields. Jake has no standup at all Jon atleast has some.

Yeah but regret is right, both suck at the standup.

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He is better, and probably more deserving after Sheilds weak performance against Kampmann. Fitch maybe somewhat boring, but no denying he's the 2nd best WW in the World. Plus he worked Alves over who we all know is a top 5 WW.

Even though Fitch is the 2nd best WW in the World to me..

BJ by TKO

Jake has a longer winning streak against better competition. It's the same fucking sport. Jon Fitch had his chance and was beaten senseless by GSP and has made zero improvements or changes in his game since then. Shields is absolutely the most deserving contender. The argument that Fitch has more fights in the UFC holds no water with me. I want GSP facing new, fresh challenges. Jake is the best opponent out there for him. Then why not, he can mop Fitch up once more for shits and giggles on his way out the door too.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Jake has a longer winning streak against better competition. It's the same fucking sport. Jon Fitch had his chance and was beaten senseless by GSP and has made zero improvements or changes in his game since then. Shields is absolutely the most deserving contender. The argument that Fitch has more fights in the UFC holds no water with me. I want GSP facing new, fresh challenges. Jake is the best opponent out there for him. Then why not, he can mop Fitch up once more for shits and giggles on his way out the door too.

I disagree. We are talking about a UFC title shot, Jon has a very, very impressive UFC record. It is flat out robbery he hasn't been given another title shot. How he does vs GSP is irrelevant, but Fitch is more deserving of a UFC title shot then any fighter in the world today.

seems like every time there is a new opponent for GSP were at this story...

Just thought of this but it was a pretty smart move getting BJ and Fitch to fight because they both want another fight with GSP more than anything so you make them fight and the loser is fucked because by the time they can work back up the ranks GSP will be a MW.

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Win Martin Kampmann Decision (Split) UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez 10/23/2010 3 5:00
Win Dan Henderson Decision (Unanimous) Strikeforce - Nashville 4/17/2010 5 5:00
Win Jason Miller Decision (Unanimous) Strikeforce / M-1 Global - Fedor vs. Rogers 11/7/2009 5 5:00
Win Robbie Lawler Submission (Guillotine Choke) Strikeforce - Lawler vs. Shields 6/6/2009 1 2:02
Win Paul Daley Submission (Armbar) EliteXC - Heat 10/4/2008 2 3:47
Win Nick Thompson Submission (Guillotine Choke) EliteXC - Unfinished Business 7/26/2008 1 1:03
Win Mike Pyle Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) EliteXC - Renegade 11/10/2007 1 3:39
Win Renato Verissimo TKO (Punches and Elbows) EliteXC - Uprising 9/15/2007 1 4:00
Win Ido Pariente Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) K-1 HERO's - Dynamite!! USA 6/2/2007 1 2:06
Win Ray Steinbeiss Submission (Guillotine Choke) Bodog Fight - Costa Rica Combat 2/18/2007 1 1:29
Win Steve Berger TKO (Punches) FCP - Malice at Cow Palace 9/9/2006 2 1:36
Win Carlos Condit Decision (Unanimous) ROTR 9 - Rumble on the Rock 9 4/21/2006 3 5:00
Win Yushin Okami Decision (Majority) ROTR 9 - Rumble on the Rock 9 4/21/2006 3 5:00
Win Dave Menne Decision (Unanimous) ROTR 8 - Rumble on the Rock 8 1/20/2006 3 5:00
Win Toby Imada Decision (Unanimous) KK - Kage Kombat 11/12/2005 3 5:00

I am sorry but dating back to 2005 this trumps this :

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Win Thiago Alves Decision (Unanimous) UFC 117 - Silva vs. Sonnen 8/7/2010 3 5:00
Win Ben Saunders Decision (Unanimous) UFC 111 - St. Pierre vs. Hardy 3/27/2010 3 5:00
Win Mike Pierce Decision (Unanimous) UFC 107 - Penn vs. Sanchez 12/12/2009 3 5:00
Win Paulo Thiago Decision (Unanimous) UFC 100 - Lesnar vs. Mir 2 7/11/2009 3 5:00
Win Akihiro Gono Decision (Unanimous) UFC 94 - St. Pierre vs. Penn 2 1/31/2009 3 5:00
Loss Georges St. Pierre Decision (Unanimous) UFC 87 - Seek and Destroy 8/9/2008 5 5:00
Win Chris Wilson Decision (Unanimous) UFC 82 - Pride of a Champion 3/1/2008 3 5:00
Win Diego Sanchez Decision (Split) UFC 76 - Knockout 9/22/2007 3 5:00
Win Roan Carneiro Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) UFC - Fight Night 10 6/12/2007 2 1:07
Win Luigi Fioravanti Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) UFC 68 - Uprising 3/3/2007 2 3:05
Win Kuniyoshi Hironaka Decision (Unanimous) UFC 64 - Unstoppable 10/14/2006 3 5:00
Win Thiago Alves TKO (Upkick and Punches) UFC - Ultimate Fight Night 5 6/28/2006 2 4:37
Win Josh Burkman Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) UFC - Ultimate Fight Night 4 4/6/2006 2 4:57
Win Brock Larson Decision (Unanimous) UFC - Ultimate Fight Night 2 10/3/2005 3 5:00
Win Jeff Joslin Decision (Split) Freedom Fight - Canada vs USA 7/9/2005 3 5:00

More top ten fighters in Jake's record, now or past. More UFC, Strikeforce, Pride, EliteXC etc champs in Jake's record. More current contenders in multiple promotions. Less losses. More finishes. In higher weight classes as well.

The only argument is Jon has fought a lot in the UFC. Doesn't matter to me considering Jake was facing higher level opposition.

1 Question. What is Jon Fitch's record in the UFC? 14-1. That is just insane. His only loss in 15 fights IN THE UFC is GSP. That is beyond impressive and not getting a 2nd shot is beyond robbery. I stand behind what I said, not another person on the planet deserves UFC title shot MORE then Jon Fitch. This is not to say Jake doesn't deserve his own.

Ok so someone GSP completely dominated is more deserving than someone who has beaten higher level of competition and not lost at all over that same stretch? How?

Is your belief predicated only on where the fights took place? If so, I can understand, just disagree.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Ok so someone GSP completely dominated is more deserving than someone who has beaten higher level of competition and not lost at all over that same stretch? How?

Is your belief predicated only on where the fights took place? If so, I can understand, just disagree.

Where the fights took place is a major part of it yes. Anyone that goes 14-1 in the UFC with the sole loss being to the Champion. Deserves another crack at the title. I don't care if odds makers suggest Fitch will die in the cage. He has done more then enough to warrant another shot at the UFC title. More then any fighter to ever grace the Octagon. Dana should be charged and convicted...

OU wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Ok so someone GSP completely dominated is more deserving than someone who has beaten higher level of competition and not lost at all over that same stretch? How?

Is your belief predicated only on where the fights took place? If so, I can understand, just disagree.

Where the fights took place is a major part of it yes. Anyone that goes 14-1 in the UFC with the sole loss being to the Champion. Deserves another crack at the title. I don't care if odds makers suggest Fitch will die in the cage. He has done more then enough to warrant another shot at the UFC title. More then any fighter to ever grace the Octagon. Dana should be charged and convicted...

He had his shot. He hasn't looked that impressive since his last shot. He should be graded only since his last loss to GSP, shouldn't he? He beat Alves, a fading Gono, and Thiago and some unranked guys. That is great but everyone Jake has beaten over that same stretch is as high or higher regarded besides Alves. Hendo who left the UFC ranked 2, Daley, Lawler, Mayhem, Kampmann are all top ten vote getters on this site.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

OU wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Ok so someone GSP completely dominated is more deserving than someone who has beaten higher level of competition and not lost at all over that same stretch? How?

Is your belief predicated only on where the fights took place? If so, I can understand, just disagree.

Where the fights took place is a major part of it yes. Anyone that goes 14-1 in the UFC with the sole loss being to the Champion. Deserves another crack at the title. I don't care if odds makers suggest Fitch will die in the cage. He has done more then enough to warrant another shot at the UFC title. More then any fighter to ever grace the Octagon. Dana should be charged and convicted...

He had his shot. He hasn't looked that impressive since his last shot. He should be graded only since his last loss to GSP, shouldn't he? He beat Alves, a fading Gono, and Thiago and some unranked guys. That is great but everyone Jake has beaten over that same stretch is as high or higher regarded besides Alves. Hendo who left the UFC ranked 2, Daley, Lawler, Mayhem, Kampmann are all top ten vote getters on this site.

Like I said before. Fitch being the most deserving guy for a UFC shot on the planet does not mean Jake isn't deserving of his own shot. But I put a ton of weight on Fitch having 14 UFC wins, UFC being the keyword there. I agree Jake has earned his shot, but the company man known as Jon Fitch should be given a 2nd shot. His only loss was to the champ. Like you listed he did beat Alves and Thiago(who would have gotten a title shot had he won). Those two top 10 wins(at the time) combined with beating everyone else put infront of him. Pretty or not, Fitch earned his 2nd title shot in the UFC.

Oh my God Wolf is making since to me kill myself smiley you better work :/<-:


No really though I know Jakes record is solid I just see Fitch getting the shaft because he doesn't kiss Dana's ass anyone else in the ufc would have gotten another shot by now and that's why I say he deserves it more but that's my opinion not saying your not making since

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