So, Rogan called Rios a faggot. Do you care?

Ziggy116 wrote:

Jesus Christ BBC how do you really feel?!?!?!?!?!

lol, I was just messing around for the most part. I do agree with pretty much everyone but Chork in this thread.

http://www.sbnation.com/users/Urijah%20Bieber

All the arguments are in recent posts. Look what they kicked me off for BBC.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

http://www.sbnation.com/users/Urijah%20Bieber

All the arguments are in recent posts. Look what they kicked me off for BBC.

I read about the Joe Rogan thing and lmao. You weren't out of line, but there was some big time old school Wolf pwnage going on there.

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

http://www.sbnation.com/users/Urijah%20Bieber

All the arguments are in recent posts. Look what they kicked me off for BBC.

I read about the Joe Rogan thing and lmao. You weren't out of line, but there was some big time old school Wolf pwnage going on there.

I love Kid Nate's reasoning ;

You are banned from Bloody Elbow.

You can browse the blog, but you can't participate.

I'm really tired of reading your comments on my site.Maybe come back in a few weeks and don't post so much. Bye Nate


He basically admits he just doesn't like my perspective on this issue. I suppose you can argue a point too well.

Ziggy116 wrote:

chorky777 wrote:

You guys seem to be missing the point about why it's unacceptable to use the word faggot in the fashion it was used, too. You make it seem like it's some sort of semantic argument instead of one based on a history of violence and discrimination towards homosexuals. What word do you think gays are called when they're being discriminated against?

You know what Chork, I can't deal with anti-1st amendment and that's what you are being right now. It's the first Amendment, I'm guessing that means it's relatively important. I'm sorry but you should have the right to offend people.

Clearly you know nothing about the Constitution and the first amendment. Where was I being anti-1st amendment other than nowhere?

LudoCain wrote:

chorky777 wrote:

You guys seem to be missing the point about why it's unacceptable to use the word faggot in the fashion it was used, too. You make it seem like it's some sort of semantic argument instead of one based on a history of violence and discrimination towards homosexuals. What word do you think gays are called when they're being discriminated against?

And? Unless Rios is an out of the closet homosexual it shouldn't make a difference if the gay community has a problem with a word usually reserved for them is now being broadened to the point that the hate has stopped being accutely aimed at them specifically. If I, a white person, called another white person "nigga" does that mean that every black person around should get wholly offended? It's the inability to stop focussing on the context of certain words that has brought our society to the PC "everyone needs to get along" mentality that it is currently stifled in. Someone criticizes a black quarterback and he's racist, so to intentionally divert from it they call for the resurgence of another the second coming of football christ. Double standards exist all around. The point is if Rogan had initially called him a cocksucker would there be an uproar like this? That is another word that could be and has been used in the derrogatory sense about the gay community, but of course nobody would care because it's not THE word that was used to invoke mainstream discrimination.

Jesus this is a lot. Let's see.... ok, first, doesn't matter if Rios is a homosexual or not. The idea of using the term faggot to describe someone as being "weak and pathetic" implies that being gay is weak and pathetic, which perpetuates a stereotype that can be harmful to gays. It doesn't take a doctorate in history to see that what is done to individuals who belong in groups of people who are stereotyped as being weaker is not good.

As for whether you calling another white person "nigga" should offend every black person, that clearly doesn't follow what's really happening here. That analogy is terrible, and I'm sure everybody that said they agreed with everything you said didn't actually fall for this shitty straw man argument. A more accurate analogy would be something like, "Man, you're so stupid, you nigger." And when a black person gets offended, you reply with, "I don't mean to say black people are stupid when I say that, I mean stupid people are niggers, duh." If you don't see why that's not kosher, then I don't know what to say.

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"It's the inability to stop focussing on the context of certain words that has brought our society to the PC "everyone needs to get along" mentality that it is currently stifled in."

Ummmm.... yeah. So we should just ignore context when we speak? We should just ignore the history of hate that is associated with certain words, just so you can call somebody a name? That's just silly. And we aren't in a society where everyone needs to get along. The point is, if you want to not get along with somebody, that's fine, but don't do it by dragging a whole group of innocent people into the mud.

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Someone criticizes a black quarterback and he's racist, so to intentionally divert from it they call for the resurgence of another the second coming of football christ.

I don't even know what you're talking about here. People criticize black QBs all the time. The most criticized QB of the last 5 years was black (JaMarcus Russel). Maybe it's a Rush Limbaugh reference? If so, he wasn't racist by criticizing a black quarterback. He had no criticism of McNabb. He just said that he wasn't as good as people said he was, and the only reason people thought he was good was because he was black. There are a lot of reasons this was a stupid thing to say, but I won't bother because they're irrelevant and I don't even know why this was brought up.

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The point is if Rogan had initially called him a cocksucker would there be an uproar like this?

This is the point? Really? Cuz my answer is, "Probably."

This issue and the Another Take post on BE are ridiculous. People insult each other, plain and simple, if people don't like that, then they don't like people, they should insult those people.

chorky777 wrote:

LudoCain wrote:

chorky777 wrote:

You guys seem to be missing the point about why it's unacceptable to use the word faggot in the fashion it was used, too. You make it seem like it's some sort of semantic argument instead of one based on a history of violence and discrimination towards homosexuals. What word do you think gays are called when they're being discriminated against?

And? Unless Rios is an out of the closet homosexual it shouldn't make a difference if the gay community has a problem with a word usually reserved for them is now being broadened to the point that the hate has stopped being accutely aimed at them specifically. If I, a white person, called another white person "nigga" does that mean that every black person around should get wholly offended? It's the inability to stop focussing on the context of certain words that has brought our society to the PC "everyone needs to get along" mentality that it is currently stifled in. Someone criticizes a black quarterback and he's racist, so to intentionally divert from it they call for the resurgence of another the second coming of football christ. Double standards exist all around. The point is if Rogan had initially called him a cocksucker would there be an uproar like this? That is another word that could be and has been used in the derrogatory sense about the gay community, but of course nobody would care because it's not THE word that was used to invoke mainstream discrimination.

Jesus this is a lot. Let's see.... ok, first, doesn't matter if Rios is a homosexual or not. The idea of using the term faggot to describe someone as being "weak and pathetic" implies that being gay is weak and pathetic, which perpetuates a stereotype that can be harmful to gays. It doesn't take a doctorate in history to see that what is done to individuals who belong in groups of people who are stereotyped as being weaker is not good.

As for whether you calling another white person "nigga" should offend every black person, that clearly doesn't follow what's really happening here. That analogy is terrible, and I'm sure everybody that said they agreed with everything you said didn't actually fall for this shitty straw man argument. A more accurate analogy would be something like, "Man, you're so stupid, you nigger." And when a black person gets offended, you reply with, "I don't mean to say black people are stupid when I say that, I mean stupid people are niggers, duh." If you don't see why that's not kosher, then I don't know what to say.

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"It's the inability to stop focussing on the context of certain words that has brought our society to the PC "everyone needs to get along" mentality that it is currently stifled in."

Ummmm.... yeah. So we should just ignore context when we speak? We should just ignore the history of hate that is associated with certain words, just so you can call somebody a name? That's just silly. And we aren't in a society where everyone needs to get along. The point is, if you want to not get along with somebody, that's fine, but don't do it by dragging a whole group of innocent people into the mud.

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Someone criticizes a black quarterback and he's racist, so to intentionally divert from it they call for the resurgence of another the second coming of football christ.

I don't even know what you're talking about here. People criticize black QBs all the time. The most criticized QB of the last 5 years was black (JaMarcus Russel). Maybe it's a Rush Limbaugh reference? If so, he wasn't racist by criticizing a black quarterback. He had no criticism of McNabb. He just said that he wasn't as good as people said he was, and the only reason people thought he was good was because he was black. There are a lot of reasons this was a stupid thing to say, but I won't bother because they're irrelevant and I don't even know why this was brought up.

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The point is if Rogan had initially called him a cocksucker would there be an uproar like this?

This is the point? Really? Cuz my answer is, "Probably."

How does it not matter if Rios is a homosexual or not? That totally and entirely defines whether this was a slight against the gay community or not. Thus determining if they even have a reason to be offended here. If he's not gay and Rogan calls him a faggot or says something like "stop being so gay" in the context of "stop being an idiot" when Rios is not gay, and Rogan is not gay then it's nothing more than slang instead of a slur. While we're on that topic, why aren't the feminists being called to the front lines for the whole "he's a stupid cunt" thing?

Ignoring context is the entire argument here. You are saying we should avoid using an entire word regardless of the context because of the hateful manner in which it has been used in the past. Context is the difference between appropriate and what isn't. If you had a female co-worker and you said to her as she walked in "hey, alice, I like your dress" thats fine. If you make obscene gestures with your hands while your doing it, suddenly it's not. Context is key. The word faggot in and of itself is no more harmful to anyone than the word doorbell. "Burn that faggot" and "lets go beat those faggots over there" are harmful.

Honestly if you think people would be in an uproar over Rogan calling Rios a cocksucker instead over the internet, then your just looking to make an argument.

No. Say what you want is what i believe in....and i also believe Thomas Rios is in fact, a faggot.

GDPofDRC wrote:

This issue and the Another Take post on BE are ridiculous. People insult each other, plain and simple, if people don't like that, then they don't like people, they should insult those people.

This is getting ridiculous. BE banned me for saying the exact same things as Rogan has said in reply to this issue in the interview they posted today.

Unbanned again.

chorky777 wrote:

Ziggy116 wrote:

chorky777 wrote:

You guys seem to be missing the point about why it's unacceptable to use the word faggot in the fashion it was used, too. You make it seem like it's some sort of semantic argument instead of one based on a history of violence and discrimination towards homosexuals. What word do you think gays are called when they're being discriminated against?

You know what Chork, I can't deal with anti-1st amendment and that's what you are being right now. It's the first Amendment, I'm guessing that means it's relatively important. I'm sorry but you should have the right to offend people.

Clearly you know nothing about the Constitution and the first amendment. Where was I being anti-1st amendment other than nowhere?

Your POV in this thread is that you think he shouldn't have said it/it was wrong for him to say right? Word it however you want but the right to speak freely is discussed in there I believe.