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Primetyme199 Brown Belt
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| Subject: Fabricio Werdum at '100-percent;' eyes tune-up fight prior to Strikeforce return Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:42 pm | |
| "Strikeforce wants me to return in March against Fedor [Emelianenko] or [Alistair] Overeem, but I'm looking forward to having a fight before that one. I don’t have an exclusive contract with Strikeforce, only for the U.S., and I got a nice proposal in Abu Dhabi and another one in Japan. I've got my last professional commitment in New York. By next week, I'll be back helping 'Babalu' and Fernando Bettega who will fight for Strikeforce on Dec. 4. My arm is 100 percent now and I feel that by February, I'll be ready to fight in Abu Dhabi or Japan."
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OU Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Fabricio Werdum at '100-percent;' eyes tune-up fight prior to Strikeforce return Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:46 pm | |
| Read this earlier, such BS. A "tune up fight"? I hope you lose that tune up fight and are never heard from again. You're just trying to ride this win as long as you can. We already had to wait this long for an "injury" you didn't even suffer in the last fight. STFU and let Fedor take that fluke back. | |
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KingsOwn19 Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Fabricio Werdum at '100-percent;' eyes tune-up fight prior to Strikeforce return Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:53 pm | |
| I don't agree with him having a tune up fight and i doubt he'll get one. He has not been out long enough. Some guys go longer without fights without injuries. He should get a long, good training camp and fight Reem, Fedor or Barnett.
Strikeforce won't give him a tune up fight but his contract enables him to go to tune up fight heaven in DREAM. | |
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killerofchicken Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Fabricio Werdum at '100-percent;' eyes tune-up fight prior to Strikeforce return Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:56 pm | |
| - KingsOwn19 wrote:
- I don't agree with him having a tune up fight and i doubt he'll get one. He has not been out long enough. Some guys go longer without fights without injuries. He should get a long, good training camp and fight Reem, Fedor or Barnett.
Strikeforce won't give him a tune up fight but his contract enables him to go to tune up fight heaven in DREAM. they can't do anything about though, he's just being a big pussy thats all! IMHO he knows he'd lose to both Fedor and Reem in a rematch | |
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Primetyme199 Brown Belt
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| Subject: Re: Fabricio Werdum at '100-percent;' eyes tune-up fight prior to Strikeforce return Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:57 pm | |
| I still think it's a big mistake for Strikeforce to continue to let guys have non binding contracts if they fight in other country's. That's one of the reasons Overeem didn't fight for so long. It just doesn't make sense to me. You build a guy up and he can throw it all away for you if he gets beat in another promotion. | |
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killerofchicken Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Fabricio Werdum at '100-percent;' eyes tune-up fight prior to Strikeforce return Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:01 pm | |
| i bet denas reading this and laughing his ass off lol | |
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killerofchicken Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Fabricio Werdum at '100-percent;' eyes tune-up fight prior to Strikeforce return Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:01 pm | |
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KingsOwn19 Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Fabricio Werdum at '100-percent;' eyes tune-up fight prior to Strikeforce return Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:11 pm | |
| OK. Let's not start calling professional fighters pussies. Especially someone like Werdum who has consistantly fought some of the best fighters throughout his entire career. That's ridiculous.
He said he'll be ready to fight by Feburary. He's probably getting some huge offers from other promotions to go can crushing for a night. It's a business as well and it's one of the perks of Strikeforce for fighters. The fact that they can get pay days elsewhere inbetween fights. He never even said he would not accept a fight with Overeem or Fedor in March or around that time.
It's also not like Overeem or Fedor are for sure ready to go by March. Tune up fight or not, Werdum will probably be the easiest guy to get in the cage come fight night. | |
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| Subject: Re: Fabricio Werdum at '100-percent;' eyes tune-up fight prior to Strikeforce return Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:17 pm | |
| - KingsOwn19 wrote:
- OK. Let's not start calling professional fighters pussies. Especially someone like Werdum who has consistantly fought some of the best fighters throughout his entire career. That's ridiculous.
He said he'll be ready to fight by Feburary. He's probably getting some huge offers from other promotions to go can crushing for a night. It's a business as well and it's one of the perks of Strikeforce for fighters. The fact that they can get pay days elsewhere inbetween fights. He never even said he would not accept a fight with Overeem or Fedor in March or around that time.
It's also not like Overeem or Fedor are for sure ready to go by March. Tune up fight or not, Werdum will probably be the easiest guy to get in the cage come fight night. Ehh, I don't have a problem with it. Might be a stretch in this case but it is still BS. Still kind of a punk move by Werdum IMO. I guarantee you will have easier time getting Fedor to sign on the rematch then Werdum. | |
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KingsOwn19 Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Fabricio Werdum at '100-percent;' eyes tune-up fight prior to Strikeforce return Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:33 pm | |
| Werdum was the one who kept mentioning a rematch putting the whole rematch nonsense in motion. I don't really think Fedor is entitled to an immediate rematch just like all the guys he finished in a minute arent entitled to rematches with him, and i'll still be surprised if Werdum fights Fedor in his next fight with SF. If i'm promoting SF i don't care if Fedor is the biggest favorite or the biggest underdog...with one fight left on his contract in a co-promotion deal without any options, i'm not signing him to fight my champ OR giving him a chance to avenge his loss if he will have the option to leave after that fight. It's bad business as proven in the Shields-Henderson fight. I don't see SF making the fight unless Fedor will have more fights beyond that. They have pretty much said as much, a lot depends on contract discussions.
Werdum needs to fight Overeem. If he's back there is no excuse not to make this fight now since this is what Overeem says he was waiting on. Werdum beat Fedor, he gets this fight.
Fedor needs to fight Barnett or Foot. | |
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| Subject: Re: Fabricio Werdum at '100-percent;' eyes tune-up fight prior to Strikeforce return Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:38 pm | |
| - KingsOwn19 wrote:
- Werdum was the one who kept mentioning a rematch putting the whole rematch nonsense in motion. I don't really think Fedor is entitled to an immediate rematch just like all the guys he finished in a minute arent entitled to rematches with him, and i'll still be surprised if Werdum fights Fedor in his next fight with SF. If i'm promoting SF i don't care if Fedor is the biggest favorite or the biggest underdog...with one fight left on his contract in a co-promotion deal without any options, i'm not signing him to fight my champ OR giving him a chance to avenge his loss if he will have the option to leave after that fight. It's bad business as proven in the Shields-Henderson fight. I don't see SF making the fight unless Fedor will have more fights beyond that. They have pretty much said as much, a lot depends on contract discussions.
Werdum needs to fight Overeem. If he's back there is no excuse not to make this fight now since this is what Overeem says he was waiting on. Werdum beat Fedor, he gets this fight.
Fedor needs to fight Barnett or Foot. Wow, might be the worse thing you ever typed. You really can't make that comparison. We are talking about a fighter that went YEARS without losing, infact that was his ONLY loss, ever. Damn right he deserves a rematch. You can't compare his situation to the opponents of Fedor, that is just extremely silly. | |
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KingsOwn19 Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Fabricio Werdum at '100-percent;' eyes tune-up fight prior to Strikeforce return Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:48 pm | |
| Werdum-Fedor was a fight to decide who fight Alistair Overeem next. An immediate rematch pretty much means Werdum earns nothing for having defeated Fedor the first time. You can't just change that because Fedor didnt win and wants to have his last contracted fight with Strikeforce avenging his loss so he can build leveraging power for M-1 or even LEAVE both of them. It's stupid. Fedor needs to fight Barnett. Werdum needs to fight Overeem. I don't like the immediate rematch unless there is controversy. There was no controversy. Fedor legit tapped because if he didnt he would have not only gone to sleep but he probably would have had his arm snapped. If SF is ever going to have the division running right like so many people seem to criticize them for, setting up a rematch between your #1 contender and #2 who can leave after a fight is not the way to go and something i'd be very critical of if they made it.
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| Subject: Re: Fabricio Werdum at '100-percent;' eyes tune-up fight prior to Strikeforce return Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:53 pm | |
| - KingsOwn19 wrote:
- Werdum-Fedor was a fight to decide who fight Alistair Overeem next. An immediate rematch pretty much means Werdum earns nothing for having defeated Fedor. You can't just change that because Fedor didnt win and wants to have his last contracted fight with Strikeforce avenging his loss so he can build leveraging power for M-1 or even LEAVE both of them. It's stupid. Fedor needs to fight Barnett. Werdum needs to fight Overeem. I don't like the immediate rematch unless there is controversy. There was no controversy. Fedor legit tapped because if he didnt he would have not only gone to sleep but he probably would have had his arm snapped.
Fedor had a record unlike any other fighter in MMA. If anyone in the MMA Universe deserves an immediate rematch it is Fedor. The undefeated ruler of the division for years and years. Yeah those wins should give a cushion like no other fighter in the world. That is how it SHOULD be. They never came out and said "winner fights Reem". Werdum obviously planned to have surgery after the right win or lose. So IMO he wasn't thinking "if I win I get Reem". Everyone considered Fedor to be the real HW Champion in MMA. A dominate Champion like Fedor deserves his rematch against the now real HW Champ in SF(Werdum). | |
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bobbitt15 Gold Belt
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| Subject: Re: Fabricio Werdum at '100-percent;' eyes tune-up fight prior to Strikeforce return Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:00 pm | |
| Werdum needs to fight Overeem and Fedor can fight somebody else. No reason it shouldn't go that way | |
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acccardinal12 Gold Belt
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| Subject: Re: Fabricio Werdum at '100-percent;' eyes tune-up fight prior to Strikeforce return Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:00 pm | |
| I agree with Sooners. Fedor was still the WAMMA/Pride HW champ and had never been beaten. He deserves the shot. | |
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KingsOwn19 Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Fabricio Werdum at '100-percent;' eyes tune-up fight prior to Strikeforce return Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:08 pm | |
| Of course they said it was the winner fights Reem. Sure they expected Fedor to win but they said before the fight that the winner was fighting Overeem and the announcers after the fight were saying he was now the #1 contender for the title. They even asked him about his next fight with Overeem and he said he wanted to rematch Fedor. Overeem was in the building and he wants to fight Werdum because he beat Fedor.
I agree that Fedor was the HW champ of MMA but Strikefore can't and should not go by that. There HW division needs to start flowing and making Fedor-Werdum II when there is no guarantee that Fedor will even fight Overeem afterwards should he move over to UFC, or sticks with M-1 and not come to terms with SF is a terrible move.
You can make an arguement that Fedor's streak entitles him to an immediate rematch but i argue that ending that wonderful streak entitles the winner to move forward and fight the guy Fedor would have fought had he won. It's not fair to Werdum, it's not fair to Overeem and it's also stupid as fuck for Strikeforce when you take Fedor's contract situation in consideration. | |
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| Subject: Re: Fabricio Werdum at '100-percent;' eyes tune-up fight prior to Strikeforce return Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:14 pm | |
| - KingsOwn19 wrote:
- Of course they said it was the winner fights Reem. Sure they expected Fedor to win but they said before the fight that the winner was fighting Overeem and the announcers after the fight were saying he was now the #1 contender for the title. They even asked him about his next fight with Overeem and he said he wanted to rematch Fedor. Overeem was in the building and he wants to fight Werdum because he beat Fedor.
I agree that Fedor was the HW champ of MMA but Strikefore can't and should not go by that. There HW division needs to start flowing and making Fedor-Werdum II when there is no guarantee that Fedor will even fight Overeem afterwards should he move over to UFC, or sticks with M-1 and not come to terms with SF is a terrible move.
You can make an arguement that Fedor's streak entitles him to an immediate rematch but i argue that ending that wonderful streak entitles the winner to move forward and fight the guy Fedor would have fought had he won. It's not fair to Werdum, it's not fair to Overeem and it's also stupid as fuck for Strikeforce when you take Fedor's contract situation in consideration. Alright some good stuff here. First I have to say... Fair to Overeem? Really? SF doesn't owe him shit, as much as he has held that belt ransom. He is lucky to still have possession of that thing. But you bring up a good point about Fedor's contract, but really is Fedor at risk of going to the UFC? I mean if that has never happened before what would make you think they are even close now? But his contract question is the best thing you have said to support your argument and something I can agree with. As far as Werdum deserving a reward for ending the streak of Fedor...That 1 win does not trump the years of winning by Fedor. He deserves to be thrown a bone much more then Werdum does. | |
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| Subject: Re: Fabricio Werdum at '100-percent;' eyes tune-up fight prior to Strikeforce return Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:07 pm | |
| Werdum is trying to stretch his run as long as he can. | |
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LA Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Fabricio Werdum at '100-percent;' eyes tune-up fight prior to Strikeforce return Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:08 pm | |
| I'd laugh if he lost his tuneup fight | |
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bobbitt15 Gold Belt
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| Subject: Re: Fabricio Werdum at '100-percent;' eyes tune-up fight prior to Strikeforce return Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:18 pm | |
| Me too. I can't wait until we can stop pretending that Werdum is like a 50-50 toss up with the rest of the guys ranked in the top 5 because he caught a totally overaggresive fighter in a triangle | |
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| Subject: Re: Fabricio Werdum at '100-percent;' eyes tune-up fight prior to Strikeforce return Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:20 pm | |
| - LA wrote:
- I'd laugh if he lost his tuneup fight
It would be epic. I'd laugh my ass off. | |
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| Subject: Re: Fabricio Werdum at '100-percent;' eyes tune-up fight prior to Strikeforce return Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:00 pm | |
| I agree with Kings, all the same I need Fedor to KO Werdum then knock Lesnar out of MMA in his first UFC bout. | |
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throwdownfight1 Blue Belt
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| Subject: Re: Fabricio Werdum at '100-percent;' eyes tune-up fight prior to Strikeforce return Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:32 pm | |
| - Wolfgangsta wrote:
- I agree with Kings, all the same I need Fedor to KO Werdum then knock Lesnar out of MMA in his first UFC bout.
dont be silly, fedor will never be allowed to fight in the ufc. they wont give him permission. plus they cant risk him losing again wich he has a slight chance at doing if he was to face a top ufc hw | |
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| Subject: Re: Fabricio Werdum at '100-percent;' eyes tune-up fight prior to Strikeforce return Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:40 pm | |
| - throwdownfight1 wrote:
- Wolfgangsta wrote:
- I agree with Kings, all the same I need Fedor to KO Werdum then knock Lesnar out of MMA in his first UFC bout.
dont be silly, fedor will never be allowed to fight in the ufc. they wont give him permission. plus they cant risk him losing again wich he has a slight chance at doing if he was to face a top ufc hw Dana won't allow him in either because it will risk him being wrong about a lot of different stuff. | |
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throwdownfight1 Blue Belt
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| Subject: Re: Fabricio Werdum at '100-percent;' eyes tune-up fight prior to Strikeforce return Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:46 pm | |
| - GDPofDRC wrote:
- throwdownfight1 wrote:
- Wolfgangsta wrote:
- I agree with Kings, all the same I need Fedor to KO Werdum then knock Lesnar out of MMA in his first UFC bout.
dont be silly, fedor will never be allowed to fight in the ufc. they wont give him permission. plus they cant risk him losing again wich he has a slight chance at doing if he was to face a top ufc hw Dana won't allow him in either because it will risk him being wrong about a lot of different stuff. no dana wants him no matter what he says. we all know he would spin it all around in his favor just like always. even is toney would of beaten couture we all know he would of found a way to market him and promote him to be his product in mma. in the end dana wants fedor , just not co promoting wich is something fedors peeps want and from looking at the top hws in the strikeforce roster and their current mess, it seems dana is right about not wanting to co promote. if fedor was to beat lesnar then go on to fight for the belt against cain it would just equal more money for dana. | |
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