TUF Finale / Strikeforce: St Louis on the same night

Dec 4, Good thing for dvr.

tuf
Stephan Bonnar vs. Igor Pokrajac
Kendall Grove vs. Demian Maia
Finalist #1 vs Finalist #2
Johny Hendricks vs. Rick Story
Leonard Garcia vs. Tyler Toner

strikeforce
Dan Henderson vs. Renato Sobral
Robbie Lawler vs. Matt Lindland
Paul Daley vs. Scott Smith
Antonio Silva vs. Valentijn Overeem
Herschel Walker vs. Scott Carson

throwdownfight1 wrote:

Dec 4, Good thing for dvr.

tuf
Stephan Bonnar vs. Igor Pokrajac
Kendall Grove vs. Demian Maia
Finalist #1 vs Finalist #2
Johny Hendricks vs. Rick Story
Leonard Garcia vs. Tyler Toner

strikeforce
Dan Henderson vs. Renato Sobral
Robbie Lawler vs. Matt Lindland
Paul Daley vs. Scott Smith
Antonio Silva vs. Valentijn Overeem
Herschel Walker vs. Scott Carson

A John Fitch clone, and Shinya Aoki's Brazilian Big Brother < SF loaded with legends.

Honestly looking more forward to Hendricks-Story than any other fight on there. Good night though

StrikeForce > TUF Finale

LOL TUF Finales are the bottom of the barrel for UFC events

It goes PPV Events, Free UFC Events, Fight Nights..........TUF Finales

Sad thing is the TUF Finales will probably still get 3x the viewers

Go H2H with a real card...

CanStrikeForce ever do anything that you wont bash?

the strikeforce card looks alot more entertain but the matches are really quite pointless from a competative point of view. The only fights that will have a meanin behind them will be the story hendricks fight and the two finalist from tuf. Dont get get me wrong, most likely i will tune into the strikeforce event but there really is no point to big foot vs an irelevant hw, walker vs a 3rd string guy, daley vs another 3 rd string guy, a bout between 2 mws who never wer or will be at the top of the division and of course the main event of whom the winner will get an underserving title shot with a legend who is coming off a loss to a ww and hasnt fought at lhw in 3 years. Like i said good entertaining fights but the results of the 2 tuf fights i mentioned will be alot more meaning full for their divisions than the strikeforce card. On this night strikeforce will be good for entertainment the 2 tuf fights will be better for competition in their divisions

no one likes the Hendo vs Babalu fight?

throwdownfight1 wrote:

the strikeforce card looks alot more entertain but the matches are really quite pointless from a competative point of view. The only fights that will have a meanin behind them will be the story hendricks fight and the two finalist from tuf. Dont get get me wrong, most likely i will tune into the strikeforce event but there really is no point to big foot vs an irelevant hw, walker vs a 3rd string guy, daley vs another 3 rd string guy, a bout between 2 mws who never wer or will be at the top of the division and of course the main event of whom the winner will get an underserving title shot with a legend who is coming off a loss to a ww and hasnt fought at lhw in 3 years. Like i said good entertaining fights but the results of the 2 tuf fights i mentioned will be alot more meaning full for their divisions than the strikeforce card. On this night strikeforce will be good for entertainment the 2 tuf fights will be better for competition in their divisions

The finalist fight from a reality show has more meaning then Henderson vs Babalu?

Troll much?

did u see hendo in his last fight. Did u see babalu in his last title match. the finalist may never accomplish half of what hendo or even babalu have however thats for us to see for they still have a rising future wer as both hendo and babalu have already hit their peek 2 years ago. Also there match being a title eliminator is a slap to the face to someone like kyle who is on a win streak as a lhw. Im more interested in his match wether he wins or loses. Mousasi should be the one getting that title bout if anything

Birdofthad wrote:

no one likes the Hendo vs Babalu fight?

Meh. Just not feeling it. Judging by his last few fights I think Hendo is pretty much at the point where he's running low on gas like halfway through the 2nd round

Hopefully being back on a big promotion will bring out the best in Daley, because he looked like dog dirt in those two exile fights.

Hendo allegedly had a back injury, donno what that means for this future fight though.

throwdownfight1 wrote:

did u see hendo in his last fight. Did u see babalu in his last title match. He finalist may never accomplish half of what hendo or even babalu have however thats for us to see for they still have a rising future wer as both hendo and babalu have already hit their peek 2 years ago. Also their match being a title eliminator is a slap to the face to someone like kyle who is on at in streak as a lhw. Im more interested in his mat wether he wins or loses. Mousasi should be the one getting that title bout if anything

Yeah Hendo got worked by a top 10 p4p guy, not the worst thing in the world. And the fight prior he KO'd a dude in the 2nd, so Im not sure what your talking about in terms of him gassing his last couple fights.

Sobral has won 6 of his last 7.

This fight is for a shot at the title, wether we think it should be or not, it is what it is, and to act like a fight between some dudes who just 2 months ago we never heard of, has more "meaning" is pretty much garbage.



Daley Smith is also a pretty meaningful fight.

Ali wrote:

Hopefully being back on a big promotion will bring out the best in Daley, because he looked like dog dirt in those two exile fights.

+1

even bas who has live at his last fight said jorge should of gotten the decision not daley

throwdownfight1 wrote:

Ali wrote:

Hopefully being back on a big promotion will bring out the best in Daley, because he looked like dog dirt in those two exile fights.

+1

even bas who has live at his last fight said jorge should of gotten the decision not daley

A the time I had it 2-1 for Daley, that big finish at the end helped win him the last round. But yes it was an extremely lacklustre performance from Paul.

captain organic wrote:

throwdownfight1 wrote:

did u see hendo in his last fight. Did u see babalu in his last title match. He finalist may never accomplish half of what hendo or even babalu have however thats for us to see for they still have a rising future wer as both hendo and babalu have already hit their peek 2 years ago. Also their match being a title eliminator is a slap to the face to someone like kyle who is on at in streak as a lhw. Im more interested in his mat wether he wins or loses. Mousasi should be the one getting that title bout if anything

Yeah Hendo got worked by a top 10 p4p guy, not the worst thing in the world. And the fight prior he KO'd a dude in the 2nd, so Im not sure what your talking about in terms of him gassing his last couple fights.

Sobral has won 6 of his last 7.

This fight is for a shot at the title, wether we think it should be or not, it is what it is, and to act like a fight between some dudes who just 2 months ago we never heard of, has more "meaning" is pretty much garbage.



Daley Smith is also a pretty meaningful fight.

hendo got outworked by a ww with limited striking skills. he got outgrappled with ease in the area he was a pro at. also i never said hendo gassed so i dont know what your talking about. i just said he is not at the top level he once was.

babalu won 6 out of his last 7 against 2nd and 3rd string guys. i bet the top 10 of the division can win 7 out of thier last 7 as well based on the comp babalu faced. also if you never heard of some of the names on tuf like nam pham and johnson 3 months ago wether they win the show or not then you must just be a casual fan that will tune into danas daily blog and not have an idea of any other mma outside the big shows on tv.

daley vs smith might be fun to watch but wut do we need to see that we havent alreay seen before. its clear smith is a 3rd string mw and isnt able to compete against the top wws from his previous match up against a natural ww in diaz. smith can be ko'd subbed and finished by other 2nd string mws and has shown it. i doubt at ww it will be any different for him. dont get me wrong, entertainin match up but i wont be surprised unless scott ko's daley

Ali wrote:

throwdownfight1 wrote:

Ali wrote:

Hopefully being back on a big promotion will bring out the best in Daley, because he looked like dog dirt in those two exile fights.

+1

even bas who has live at his last fight said jorge should of gotten the decision not daley

A the time I had it 2-1 for Daley, that big finish at the end helped win him the last round. But yes it was an extremely lacklustre performance from Paul.

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i had no problem with the decision but like you said lackluster preformance.

I'll be watching both..though if i had to choose. Not much appealing on the UFC card because TUF sucks and i think Bonnar is and always has been terrible. Grove-Maia can be good. Hendricks vs. Story is the only thing that catches my eye. Not good for Strikeforce though. UFC can pretty much put UFC gloves on homeless people and the brand name alone will get viewers.

I know i'm in the minority, probably an army of one...but i've grown incredibly bored with Leonard Garcia. It's always the same thing, a slugfest void of technical ability that always goes to a split decision that unjustly goes to Garcia.

It didn't last time.

I actually wouldent know about the hominick fight. i didnt watch it, but i had Jung, Roop and Maassouh in recent bouts where he's gone 2-0-1 to a chorus of boo's after every fight.

throwdownfight1 wrote:

captain organic wrote:

throwdownfight1 wrote:

did u see hendo in his last fight. Did u see babalu in his last title match. He finalist may never accomplish half of what hendo or even babalu have however thats for us to see for they still have a rising future wer as both hendo and babalu have already hit their peek 2 years ago. Also their match being a title eliminator is a slap to the face to someone like kyle who is on at in streak as a lhw. Im more interested in his mat wether he wins or loses. Mousasi should be the one getting that title bout if anything

Yeah Hendo got worked by a top 10 p4p guy, not the worst thing in the world. And the fight prior he KO'd a dude in the 2nd, so Im not sure what your talking about in terms of him gassing his last couple fights.

Sobral has won 6 of his last 7.

This fight is for a shot at the title, wether we think it should be or not, it is what it is, and to act like a fight between some dudes who just 2 months ago we never heard of, has more "meaning" is pretty much garbage.



Daley Smith is also a pretty meaningful fight.

hendo got outworked by a ww with limited striking skills. he got outgrappled with ease in the area he was a pro at. also i never said hendo gassed so i dont know what your talking about. i just said he is not at the top level he once was.

babalu won 6 out of his last 7 against 2nd and 3rd string guys. i bet the top 10 of the division can win 7 out of thier last 7 as well based on the comp babalu faced. also if you never heard of some of the names on tuf like nam pham and johnson 3 months ago wether they win the show or not then you must just be a casual fan that will tune into danas daily blog and not have an idea of any other mma outside the big shows on tv.

daley vs smith might be fun to watch but wut do we need to see that we havent alreay seen before. its clear smith is a 3rd string mw and isnt able to compete against the top wws from his previous match up against a natural ww in diaz. smith can be ko'd subbed and finished by other 2nd string mws and has shown it. i doubt at ww it will be any different for him. dont get me wrong, entertainin match up but i wont be surprised unless scott ko's daley

Dude, Story, Hendricks etc etc, are at best 2nd stringers. At best.

And for the record, it's Nam Phan.

2nd at best stringers is too harsh. Hendrix is undefeated and a two time NCAA champ. Actually, calling him a poor mans Fitch did his wrestling and finishing ability an injustice. 9-0, 5 KOs, 1 sub, 3 dec. Six fights under Zuffa. That is a blue chip prospect. First round pick, so even if he is on the bench you know he'll be starting soon. The Bellator guy with a much geener career and lower finishing percentage gets more publicity. The UFC doesn't do enough to promote these up and comers. Story has won 4 UFC fights in a row after losing to Hathaway in his debut at UFC 99.

This is a good fight.

throwdownfight1 wrote:

hendo got outworked by a ww with limited striking skills. he got outgrappled with ease in the area he was a pro at. also i never said hendo gassed so i dont know what your talking about. i just said he is not at the top level he once was.

babalu won 6 out of his last 7 against 2nd and 3rd string guys. i bet the top 10 of the division can win 7 out of thier last 7 as well based on the comp babalu faced. also if you never heard of some of the names on tuf like nam pham and johnson 3 months ago wether they win the show or not then you must just be a casual fan that will tune into danas daily blog and not have an idea of any other mma outside the big shows on tv.

daley vs smith might be fun to watch but wut do we need to see that we havent alreay seen before. its clear smith is a 3rd string mw and isnt able to compete against the top wws from his previous match up against a natural ww in diaz. smith can be ko'd subbed and finished by other 2nd string mws and has shown it. i doubt at ww it will be any different for him. dont get me wrong, entertainin match up but i wont be surprised unless scott ko's daley

Hendo got outworked by a Middleweight who began his career at Welterweight. He got outgrappled by a world class grappler who is hardly anything to scoff at. He would wreck a large population barring maybe a couple handfuls of guys on the planet in a straight up grappling match. He blends high level wrestling and high level jiu jitsu the likes we have never seen before.

Your calling people "casual fans" when you start a post with what you did? I'm sure you are well acquainted with just who Nam Phan is but did it ever occur to you that just because someone doesn't stay up until 2-3am or doesn't have HDNet that they aren't simply casual fans because it's unlikely that someone would have seen him on KOTC or Sengoku without HDNet.

My point? I think your a giant tool and your elitist attitude might be better served over on Sherdog since your arguments seem to be more or less shortsighted and or misinformed at best. Have a nice night.

LudoCain wrote:

throwdownfight1 wrote:

hendo got outworked by a ww with limited striking skills. he got outgrappled with ease in the area he was a pro at. also i never said hendo gassed so i dont know what your talking about. i just said he is not at the top level he once was.

babalu won 6 out of his last 7 against 2nd and 3rd string guys. i bet the top 10 of the division can win 7 out of thier last 7 as well based on the comp babalu faced. also if you never heard of some of the names on tuf like nam pham and johnson 3 months ago wether they win the show or not then you must just be a casual fan that will tune into danas daily blog and not have an idea of any other mma outside the big shows on tv.

daley vs smith might be fun to watch but wut do we need to see that we havent alreay seen before. its clear smith is a 3rd string mw and isnt able to compete against the top wws from his previous match up against a natural ww in diaz. smith can be ko'd subbed and finished by other 2nd string mws and has shown it. i doubt at ww it will be any different for him. dont get me wrong, entertainin match up but i wont be surprised unless scott ko's daley

Hendo got outworked by a Middleweight who began his career at Welterweight. He got outgrappled by a world class grappler who is hardly anything to scoff at. He would wreck a large population barring maybe a couple handfuls of guys on the planet in a straight up grappling match. He blends high level wrestling and high level jiu jitsu the likes we have never seen before.

Your calling people "casual fans" when you start a post with what you did? I'm sure you are well acquainted with just who Nam Phan is but did it ever occur to you that just because someone doesn't stay up until 2-3am or doesn't have HDNet that they aren't simply casual fans because it's unlikely that someone would have seen him on KOTC or Sengoku without HDNet.

My point? I think your a giant tool and your elitist attitude might be better served over on Sherdog since your arguments seem to be more or less shortsighted and or misinformed at best. Have a nice night.

fist off yes hendo got outworked by a world class grappler however even kampmann looked better on the ground than hendo did against him. hendo just didnt look too fresh on the ground as he once did and trust me kampmann doesnt come close to the ground game hendo had at his peek.

second people dont have to have hdnet or stay up till 2-3 am. many here are well known with several mma sites were fights can be viewed. arent there people here already saying how several well known fighters are gonna be on tuf next season. thats the same thing some said prior to this season. i never said nam phan was or is a big name however he and other fighters that have been on tuf are known fighters. capt said no one even heard of them.

finally you're are calling me a tool but what do you based that off of. seriously. plus i never even posted at sherdog or gone to it.from what i heard back in the day there were nothing but pride nutters over there so i never really bothered, dont know how it is now days.