When hate cancels out reason

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/11/3/1791108/brock-the-bully-former-champion-brock-lesnar-looks-for-easier-prey

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Simply put, Brock is a bully. When backed into a corner his instinct isn't to take the hard path. It's to find prey he thinks he can conquer - and attack. Bryan Alvarez, editor of the Wrestling Observer's sister newsletter Figure Four Weekly, says Brock isn't looking to rematch Carwin or get a return bout with Velasquez. Instead, Lesnar reportedly has set his sights on Roy Nelson.

Now there's nothing wrong with Roy Nelson. He's a talented fighter, a mid-level heavyweight contender who is most famous for hiding a 205 pound potential champion inside a 265 pound rolly polly package. But isn't it a little odd for a former champion, the UFC's flagship fighter, to be challenging a guy who's best career win was against prospect Brendan Schaub? Nelson isn't a top-shelf contender. He's a guy who has fallen short time and again against the top level competition he's faced, including a recent beating incurred at the hands of heavyweight contender Junior dos Santos.

Contrast Lesnar's approach to the recently vanquished heavyweight kingpin Fedor Emelianenko. Fedor didn't respond to his loss to Fabricio Werdum by challenging Jeff Monson. He asked for a rematch with the man who made him tap:

"Certainly I would like to have a rematch with Fabricio. If he agrees, I would love to do that. The one who doesn't fall doesn't stand up. It happens that I was made kind of an idol. Everybody loses. That happens. I'm a normal human being, as are all of us. If it is God's will, the next fight I'll win."

So why is Lesnar challenging a fighter who isn't in the title hunt? Because he thinks it's easier. He thinks he can roll right over the fat kid - and he's probably right. But even asking for this fight shows plenty about Lesnar and where he is mentally. This isn't the confident move of a fighter on his way back up the ladder. This is the path of the bully, the more favorable route, and the mindset of a fighter still a little shell shocked after consecutive shellackings.

L-O-L

I don't see any problems with this. Maybe your love is canceling out your reason.

An article deserved to be written calling Brock a pussy for wanting to fight Roy Nelson who is a tougher opponent than what the UFC is trying to give him? Not surprising coming from you

bobbitt15 wrote:

An article deserved to be written calling Brock a pussy for wanting to fight Roy Nelson who is a tougher opponent than what the UFC is trying to give him? Not surprising coming from you

Didn't see the word "pussy" in there anywhere. He is shell shocked, he is looking for an easy road. What is wrong with saying that?

How is fighting Roy Nelson an easy road? Literally the only other person available for him to fight that would've satisfied whoever wrote this is Carwin, who just had back surgery yesterday. This article is retarded, that was my whole point

bobbitt15 wrote:

How is fighting Roy Nelson an easy road? Literally the only other person available for him to fight that would've satisfied whoever wrote this is Carwin, who just had back surgery yesterday. This article is retarded, that was my whole point

Not nearly as retarded as you make it sound. Your reaction to it is more over the top then the article itself.

Lol I don't know why I'm even talking to you about this. Never mind

bobbitt15 wrote:

Lol I don't know why I'm even talking to you about this. Never mind

ditto

Why don't you check out the comments under the article, or are all those people on Brock's dick too? Lol.

Well the writer got one thing right. Brock is a bully. Against inferior comp, the dude looks like the baddest man on the planet, against someone who can return fire, Brock turtles up and runs in terror.

but the writer gives Brock too much credit in expected him to run through Nelson. the shell shocked fighter he is writing about is by no means a sure thing in that fight.

bobbitt15 wrote:

Why don't you check out the comments under the article, or are all those people on Brock's dick too? Lol.

plenty of blinded fans out there. This board is evidence of that.

OU wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

Why don't you check out the comments under the article, or are all those people on Brock's dick too? Lol.

plenty of blinded fans out there. This board is evidence of that.

And blinded haters, like people that think Kongo would have a good chance to beat Brock

and considering that dudes actually have brock listed as the #2 hwy in the world, it's good to see not everyone is still believing the "brock smash" hype.

bobbitt15 wrote:

OU wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

Why don't you check out the comments under the article, or are all those people on Brock's dick too? Lol.

plenty of blinded fans out there. This board is evidence of that.

And blinded haters, like people that think Kongo would have a good chance to beat Brock

A better chance then you would ever like to beleive.
Brock's catch phrase changed from "Brock Smash!" to "Turtle, Turtle"

captain organic wrote:

and considering that dudes actually have brock listed as the #2 hwy in the world, it's good to see not everyone is still believing the "brock smash" hype.

Given that he thinks Brock would run through Nelson, I'm not sure that's accurate. Any knowledgeable fan would agree that it's a good next fight for Brock

OU wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

OU wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

Why don't you check out the comments under the article, or are all those people on Brock's dick too? Lol.

plenty of blinded fans out there. This board is evidence of that.

And blinded haters, like people that think Kongo would have a good chance to beat Brock

A better chance then you would ever like to beleive.
Brock's catch phrase changed from "Brock Smash!" to "Turtle, Turtle"

It might be like 1% better than "no shot in hell" but not much more

bobbitt15 wrote:

captain organic wrote:

and considering that dudes actually have brock listed as the #2 hwy in the world, it's good to see not everyone is still believing the "brock smash" hype.

Given that he thinks Brock would run through Nelson, I'm not sure that's accurate. Any knowledgeable fan would agree that it's a good next fight for Brock

yeah good point, even in criticising Brock they are still delusional in their praise. Can't say it enough, but I think the Brock love that still remains is baffling.

captain organic wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

captain organic wrote:

and considering that dudes actually have brock listed as the #2 hwy in the world, it's good to see not everyone is still believing the "brock smash" hype.

Given that he thinks Brock would run through Nelson, I'm not sure that's accurate. Any knowledgeable fan would agree that it's a good next fight for Brock

yeah good point, even in criticising Brock they are still delusional in their praise. Can't say it enough, but I think the Brock love that still remains is baffling.

Couldn't agree more.

captain organic wrote:

Well the writer got one thing right. Brock is a bully. Against inferior comp, the dude looks like the baddest man on the planet, against someone who can return fire, Brock turtles up and runs in terror.

but the writer gives Brock too much credit in expected him to run through Nelson. the shell shocked fighter he is writing about is by no means a sure thing in that fight.

+1.

The only fighter who is getting hated on at the expense of reason is Nelson, who would is a real MMA fighter. Nelson "falling short time and time again" consists of him getting job'd against Rothwell and Monson and losing to the two best strikers in UFC history at the top of their powers with JDS and AA.

bobbitt15 wrote:

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/11/3/1791108/brock-the-bully-former-champion-brock-lesnar-looks-for-easier-prey

Quote :

Simply put, Brock is a bully. When backed into a corner his instinct isn't to take the hard path. It's to find prey he thinks he can conquer - and attack. Bryan Alvarez, editor of the Wrestling Observer's sister newsletter Figure Four Weekly, says Brock isn't looking to rematch Carwin or get a return bout with Velasquez. Instead, Lesnar reportedly has set his sights on Roy Nelson.

Now there's nothing wrong with Roy Nelson. He's a talented fighter, a mid-level heavyweight contender who is most famous for hiding a 205 pound potential champion inside a 265 pound rolly polly package. But isn't it a little odd for a former champion, the UFC's flagship fighter, to be challenging a guy who's best career win was against prospect Brendan Schaub? Nelson isn't a top-shelf contender. He's a guy who has fallen short time and again against the top level competition he's faced, including a recent beating incurred at the hands of heavyweight contender Junior dos Santos.

Contrast Lesnar's approach to the recently vanquished heavyweight kingpin Fedor Emelianenko. Fedor didn't respond to his loss to Fabricio Werdum by challenging Jeff Monson. He asked for a rematch with the man who made him tap:

"Certainly I would like to have a rematch with Fabricio. If he agrees, I would love to do that. The one who doesn't fall doesn't stand up. It happens that I was made kind of an idol. Everybody loses. That happens. I'm a normal human being, as are all of us. If it is God's will, the next fight I'll win."

So why is Lesnar challenging a fighter who isn't in the title hunt? Because he thinks it's easier. He thinks he can roll right over the fat kid - and he's probably right. But even asking for this fight shows plenty about Lesnar and where he is mentally. This isn't the confident move of a fighter on his way back up the ladder. This is the path of the bully, the more favorable route, and the mindset of a fighter still a little shell shocked after consecutive shellackings.

L-O-L

It's not totally invalid going either way.

I think Nelson is a good next opponent for Lesnar.

Rank wise, Nelson is in the 15 to 10 range for me while Lesnar is at 10 to 5. It's not as drastic as the author suggested had Fedor called out Snowman after losing, that's a stretch.

It seems like Nog, Mir or Nelson are really the only three logical(that's right I said logical, lol at me) fight for Brock to pick up.

The Author is kind of dumb to think this is Lesnar being a bully, which I think irl he probably is a big asshole bully type of mentality, but that has no bearing here I think. I don't think Brock is throwing Nelsons name out there because he thinks that's his easiest path, rather maybe he realizes a fight with Nelson is more where he should actually be in terms of competition, on the back end of the top ten.


I believe, like in Rockedober, a fair amount of pro fighters and people who cover MMA for a living would continue to pick against Brock to win, and primarily for reasons other than hate.

The Author's point isn't lost though, it just shows how much he undervalues Nelson.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

captain organic wrote:

Well the writer got one thing right. Brock is a bully. Against inferior comp, the dude looks like the baddest man on the planet, against someone who can return fire, Brock turtles up and runs in terror.

but the writer gives Brock too much credit in expected him to run through Nelson. the shell shocked fighter he is writing about is by no means a sure thing in that fight.

+1.

The only fighter who is getting hated on at the expense of reason is Nelson, who would is a real MMA fighter. Nelson "falling short time and time again" consists of him getting job'd against Rothwell and Monson and losing to the two best strikers in UFC history at the top of their powers with JDS and AA.

actually i would consider timmy and rizzo better strikers than aa during their time. but yes, nelso did get robbed against rothwell and monson and you can even say he got robbed against aa for the uneccesary stand up during their match.

still the article is dumb. if not nelson then who is brock suppose to call out, carwin who is gettin back surgery, cain again after he and jds already have a scheduled bout. nog?mir?

He could call out Carwin, but he knows what would happen a second time...

throwdownfight1 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

captain organic wrote:

Well the writer got one thing right. Brock is a bully. Against inferior comp, the dude looks like the baddest man on the planet, against someone who can return fire, Brock turtles up and runs in terror.

but the writer gives Brock too much credit in expected him to run through Nelson. the shell shocked fighter he is writing about is by no means a sure thing in that fight.

+1.

The only fighter who is getting hated on at the expense of reason is Nelson, who would is a real MMA fighter. Nelson "falling short time and time again" consists of him getting job'd against Rothwell and Monson and losing to the two best strikers in UFC history at the top of their powers with JDS and AA.

actually i would consider timmy and rizzo better strikers than aa during their time. but yes, nelso did get robbed against rothwell and monson and you can even say he got robbed against aa for the uneccesary stand up during their match.

still the article is dumb. if not nelson then who is brock suppose to call out, carwin who is gettin back surgery, cain again after he and jds already have a scheduled bout. nog?mir?

Which was exactly my point

Why does he have to "call out" anyone?