New Top 10 LHW

What is you're new top 10 LHW list look like?

Mine:

1. Machida
2. Rampage
3. Rashad
4. Shogun
5. Thiago
6. Gegard
7. Cain
8. Lil Nog
9. Franklin
10. Jardine

01. Machida
02. Anderson
03. Rampage
04. Rashad
05. Shogun
06. Gegard
07. Thiago
08. Griffin
09. Cain
10. Franklin

fack i need to find my lhw top ten for last month. farmer you got our votes?

1- Machida
2- Rampage
3- Evans
4- Anderson Silva
5- Shogun
6- Forrest
7- Cane
8- Thiago Silva
9- Little Nog
10- Jardine

Ninja\Rua/Fan wrote:

What is you're new top 10 LHW list look like?

Mine:

1. Machida
2. Rampage
3. Rashad
4. Shogun
5. Thiago
6. Gegard
7. Cain
8. Lil Nog
9. Franklin
10. Jardine

Wow thiago ahead of Gegard. And no sign of Forrest?

captain organic wrote:

Ninja\Rua/Fan wrote:

What is you're new top 10 LHW list look like?

Mine:

1. Machida
2. Rampage
3. Rashad
4. Shogun
5. Thiago
6. Gegard
7. Cain
8. Lil Nog
9. Franklin
10. Jardine

Wow thiago ahead of Gegard. And no sign of Forrest?

Gegard is one of my favorite fighters, but in my opinion beating Jardine is more impressive than beating Babalu. That's not to say I don't think Gegard could destroy Jardine as well, but I base my rankings on what a fighter did not what a fighter could do. Also Rashad is still considered a top 3 fighter even though Machida destroyed him like he did Thiago. I don't Thaigo should be held to a lower standard.

As for Forrest he really doesn't deserve to be in the top 10 at the moment with his recent terrible performance. He is in the 11-15 range. I will wait until he beats someone relevant until I put him back

1. Machida(UFC)
2. Rampage(UFC)
3. Evans(UFC)
4. Shogun(UFC)
5. Mousasi(Strikeforce)
6. Luiz Cane(UFC)
7. Forrest(UFC)
8. Little Nog(UFC?)
9. Brandon Vera(UFC)
10. Rich Franklin(UFC)
11. Thiago Silva (UFC)
12. Keith Jardine(UFC)
13. Steve Cantwell(UFC)
14. Jon Jones(UFC)
15. King Mo(FA)
16. Babalu(Strikeforce)
17. Matt Hamill(UFC)
18. Janitor(UFC)
19. Mark Coleman(UFC)
20. Soko(Dream)


I was really debating who should go in at ten, Franklin or Thiago, but Thiago is coming off his first good win ever, while Franklin has an established career with an established track record. The UFC just owns this division. Mousasi is Strikeforce's great hope, but there is nothing there for him. I hope in 12 months he and Fedor migrate to the UFC.

If I included Anderson he'd be at 2, and if I included Henderson he'd be at 4. Tito wins against Coleman impressively and he makes a top ten case. Right now I have him, Wanderlei and Chuck out of the rankings.

why are people putting Franklin so high?

since moving back to LHW he's 1-1 with a win over Matt Hamill

discovery99 wrote:

why are people putting Franklin so high?

since moving back to LHW he's 1-1 with a win over Matt Hamill

agree, the guy's fights in the 195 netherworld should not boost up his 205 ranking.

But his loss was a razor thin decision to Dan Henderson who is one of the best fighters in recorded history. Losses can influence rankings in a positive way. The 195 pound fights don't carry as much weight(no pun intended) but should have some influence on his rankings.

It is pretty stupid to ignore out-weight fights as if they don't exist when considering rankings because rankings are not and never have been strictly based on who-beats-who numbers in the division.

And who is ranking him high? He is no higher than 9th. Do you really feel there are 10 or more fighters in the UFC that would be significant favorites over him in the weight class?

Wolfgangsta wrote:

And who is ranking him high? He is no higher than 9th. Do you really feel there are 10 or more fighters in the UFC that would be significant favorites over him in the weight class?

Well certainly in Ninja's case, where he has explicitly said he bases his rankings off what the fighter has done, not what he could do, should Franklin be even as high as 9 when he is 1-1 in the division? One win over Hamill?

But I'll take my statement back. I can see Frankin as a somewhere around 10 205er.

1. Machida
2. Rampage
3. Anderson
4. Rashad
5. Shogun
6. Mousasi
7. Cane
8. Forrest
9. T. Silva
10. Franklin

I need Little Nog to face someone actually in the top 10 before i can out him there

Wolfgangsta wrote:

And who is ranking him high? He is no higher than 9th. Do you really feel there are 10 or more fighters in the UFC that would be significant favorites over him in the weight class?

9th is still too high imo

also the OP has him in a top 10 that doesnt even include Forrest Griffin... come on

Win 17-3 Dion Staring Submission (Triangle Choke) Jungle Fight – Ceara 2009-05-09 3 3:30 Fortaleza, Brazil
Win 16–3 Vladimir Matyushenko TKO (Strikes) Affliction: Day of Reckoning 2009-01-24 2 4:26 Anaheim, California, US
Win 15–3 Moise Rimbon Decision (Unanimous) Sengoku 6 2008-11-01 3 5:00 Saitama, Japan
Win 14–3 Edwin Dewees TKO (Punches) Affliction: Banned 2008-07-19 1 4:06 Anaheim, California, US
Win 13–3 Todd Gouwenberg TKO HCF: Destiny 2008-02-01 2 4:34 Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Loss 12–3 Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou KO (Punch) PRIDE 33 – Second Coming 2007-02-24 1 0:23 Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Win 12–2 Alistair Overeem TKO (Towel – Strikes) PRIDE Critical Countdown Absolute 2006-07-01 2 2:13 Saitama, Japan
Loss 11–2 Mauricio Rua Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE Critical Countdown 2005 2005-06-26 3 5:00 Saitama, Japan
Win 11–1 Dan Henderson Submission (Armbar) PRIDE Total Elimination 2005 2005-04-23 1 8:05 Osaka, Japan
Win 10–1 Alistair Overeem Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 29 – Fists of Fire 2005-02-20 3 5:00 Saitama, Japan
Win 9–1 Kazuhiro Nakamura Decision (Split) PRIDE Bushido 4 2004-07-19 2 5:00 Nagoya, Japan
Win 8–1 Alex Stiebling Decision (Unanimous) Gladiator FC Day 1 2004-06-26 3 5:00 Seoul, South Korea
Win 7–1 Kazushi Sakuraba Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE Shockwave 2003 2003-12-31 3 5:00 Saitama, Japan
Win 6–1 Kazuhiro Nakamura Submission (Armbar) PRIDE 25 – Body Blow 2003-03-16 2 3:49 Yokohama, Japan
Win 5–1 Guy Mezger Decision (Split) PRIDE 24 – Cold Fury 3 2002-12-22 3 5:00 Fukuoka, Japan
Win 4–1 Tsuyoshi Kohsaka Decision (Unanimous) DEEP 2001 – 6th Impact 2002-09-07 3 5:00 Tokyo, Japan
Loss 3–1 Vladimir Matyushenko Decision (Unanimous) UFO Legend 2002-08-08 3 5:00 Tokyo, Japan
Win 3–0 Yusuke Imamura Technical Submission (Guillotine Choke) PRIDE 20 – Armed and Ready 2002-04-28 1 0:35 Yokohama, Japan
Win 2–0 Jim Theobald Submission (Armbar) HooknShoot Overdrive 2002-03-09 1 4:59 Evansville, Indiana, US
Win 1–0 Shamoji Fujii Technical Submission (Armbar)


He has a good career resume with wins over Saku, Guy, and Dan Henderson, and he was a consensus top ten for years before the Soko fight. Considering how he has looked since then, and with the victory over the then top ten Vladimir Matyushenko in their rematch, I have no problem putting him back in the top ten.

discovery99 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

And who is ranking him high? He is no higher than 9th. Do you really feel there are 10 or more fighters in the UFC that would be significant favorites over him in the weight class?

9th is still too high imo

also the OP has him in a top 10 that doesnt even include Forrest Griffin... come on

your top 10 does not include Gegard Mousasi...come on

1. Machida
2. Jackson
3. Evans
4. Rua
5. Mousasi
6. T. Silva
7. Cane
8. Franklin
9. Nog
10. Babalu

I did not even rank Jardine top 10 before last night. I will not add Anderson Silva untill it is clear which weight he is fighting at.

Over selling T. Silva here, especially if he beat a Jardine who wasn't a top ten guy.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

discovery99 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

And who is ranking him high? He is no higher than 9th. Do you really feel there are 10 or more fighters in the UFC that would be significant favorites over him in the weight class?

9th is still too high imo

also the OP has him in a top 10 that doesnt even include Forrest Griffin... come on

your top 10 does not include Gegard Mousasi...come on

He's done virtually nothing at LHW.

1 Machida
2 Anderson
3 Rampage
4 Evans
5 Shogun
6 Mousasi
7 Lil Nog
8 Forrest
9 Cane
10 Thiago

1 Machida
2 Shogun
3 Rampage
4 A Silva
5 Mousasi
6 Evans
7 T Silva
8 Minotoro
9 Griffin
10 Franklin