Interesting article on the current state of boxing

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Everything else is an excuse. The problem is most fighters are not seeking glory with sufficient intensity.

Thats why right now and in recent boxing history guys like Pac, Wlad, Vitali, Oscar, Shane, and a few others should be put on a pedestal.

Yeah, though guys fighting twice a year? The pedestal ought not be excessive.

Right now I will take them fighting twice a year against the best vs 5 times a year agains 5 bums. Right now thats what we are getting from other guys. Those guys go after the best fight possible. Manny taking on Margo (eventhough he is a cheater) is a huge risk and is one of the best fights that can be made for Pac. There are a few others he could have fought but none of them present that big of a challenge.

You're assuming a bs false choice. There is NO reason for either. 2-3 times a year in big fights and twice a year in tune-ups is hardly excessive and would make them better fighters.

I refuse to accept a lowering of standards so we can call someone special.

For you its lowering a standard for me its raising since I have grown up in this era. Thats kinda sad huh?

Hadn't thought of it quite that way. YUCK!!!!!!!

Now go read some boxing history you frakkin youngun!

I think I might do that I have a little extra time right now. My class is building forts and learning fort construction. I am doing nothing today. LOL

marbleheadmaui wrote:

gomez1012 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Same answer. For it's own sake. My own view is that one thing that separates the greats from the goods in almost all sports is loving the sport and a deep desire to be the very best. I mean money sure didn't stop Michael Jordan or Tom Brady or Ray Leonard from doing the things they had to do to prove they were the best over and over and over again.

When the chips are down and one is battling for their boxing, and perhaps actual, life, I don't think anyone is thinking "$8 million." My guess is they're thinking "I want that championship!"

Thats my point, these fighters that have grown up on HBO have no desire because the talent they do have is being wasted away on nobodies that get ridiculously over paid for

but I agree that the greats will want to be great no matter what the price

And maybe that is just something one is born with. Maybe it isn't something that can be taught or learned. I dunno.

I think you are right. I just love the attitude of guys like Pac and JMM. Both of them will fight anyone you put in front of them.

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Everything else is an excuse. The problem is most fighters are not seeking glory with sufficient intensity.

Thats why right now and in recent boxing history guys like Pac, Wlad, Vitali, Oscar, Shane, and a few others should be put on a pedestal.

Yeah, though guys fighting twice a year? The pedestal ought not be excessive.

Right now I will take them fighting twice a year against the best vs 5 times a year agains 5 bums. Right now thats what we are getting from other guys. Those guys go after the best fight possible. Manny taking on Margo (eventhough he is a cheater) is a huge risk and is one of the best fights that can be made for Pac. There are a few others he could have fought but none of them present that big of a challenge.

You're assuming a bs false choice. There is NO reason for either. 2-3 times a year in big fights and twice a year in tune-ups is hardly excessive and would make them better fighters.

I refuse to accept a lowering of standards so we can call someone special.

For you its lowering a standard for me its raising since I have grown up in this era. Thats kinda sad huh?

Hadn't thought of it quite that way. YUCK!!!!!!!

Now go read some boxing history you frakkin youngun!

I think I might do that I have a little extra time right now. My class is building forts and learning fort construction. I am doing nothing today. LOL

Are they defending against crazed Gauls or Plains Indians or Alexander?

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

gomez1012 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Same answer. For it's own sake. My own view is that one thing that separates the greats from the goods in almost all sports is loving the sport and a deep desire to be the very best. I mean money sure didn't stop Michael Jordan or Tom Brady or Ray Leonard from doing the things they had to do to prove they were the best over and over and over again.

When the chips are down and one is battling for their boxing, and perhaps actual, life, I don't think anyone is thinking "$8 million." My guess is they're thinking "I want that championship!"

Thats my point, these fighters that have grown up on HBO have no desire because the talent they do have is being wasted away on nobodies that get ridiculously over paid for

but I agree that the greats will want to be great no matter what the price

And maybe that is just something one is born with. Maybe it isn't something that can be taught or learned. I dunno.

I think you are right. I just love the attitude of guys like Pac and JMM. Both of them will fight anyone you put in front of them.

Yuperooni. The Ukranians belong in that group as do (I suspect) the new Cubans. Theys eem to have the necessary arrogance.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Everything else is an excuse. The problem is most fighters are not seeking glory with sufficient intensity.

Thats why right now and in recent boxing history guys like Pac, Wlad, Vitali, Oscar, Shane, and a few others should be put on a pedestal.

Yeah, though guys fighting twice a year? The pedestal ought not be excessive.

Right now I will take them fighting twice a year against the best vs 5 times a year agains 5 bums. Right now thats what we are getting from other guys. Those guys go after the best fight possible. Manny taking on Margo (eventhough he is a cheater) is a huge risk and is one of the best fights that can be made for Pac. There are a few others he could have fought but none of them present that big of a challenge.

You're assuming a bs false choice. There is NO reason for either. 2-3 times a year in big fights and twice a year in tune-ups is hardly excessive and would make them better fighters.

I refuse to accept a lowering of standards so we can call someone special.

For you its lowering a standard for me its raising since I have grown up in this era. Thats kinda sad huh?

Hadn't thought of it quite that way. YUCK!!!!!!!

Now go read some boxing history you frakkin youngun!

I think I might do that I have a little extra time right now. My class is building forts and learning fort construction. I am doing nothing today. LOL

Are they defending against crazed Gauls or Plains Indians or Alexander?

The north's cannons. AKA a potato gun. Its fun to destroy these things.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

gomez1012 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Same answer. For it's own sake. My own view is that one thing that separates the greats from the goods in almost all sports is loving the sport and a deep desire to be the very best. I mean money sure didn't stop Michael Jordan or Tom Brady or Ray Leonard from doing the things they had to do to prove they were the best over and over and over again.

When the chips are down and one is battling for their boxing, and perhaps actual, life, I don't think anyone is thinking "$8 million." My guess is they're thinking "I want that championship!"

Thats my point, these fighters that have grown up on HBO have no desire because the talent they do have is being wasted away on nobodies that get ridiculously over paid for

but I agree that the greats will want to be great no matter what the price

And maybe that is just something one is born with. Maybe it isn't something that can be taught or learned. I dunno.

I think you are right. I just love the attitude of guys like Pac and JMM. Both of them will fight anyone you put in front of them.

Yuperooni. The Ukranians belong in that group as do (I suspect) the new Cubans. Theys eem to have the necessary arrogance.

I agree I think the Cubans are just like the mexicans who just love to fight and want to fight the best.

Oh really, then why is Gamboa reluctant to face Caballero, and why is Solis reluctant to eat a salad ?

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Everything else is an excuse. The problem is most fighters are not seeking glory with sufficient intensity.

Thats why right now and in recent boxing history guys like Pac, Wlad, Vitali, Oscar, Shane, and a few others should be put on a pedestal.

Yeah, though guys fighting twice a year? The pedestal ought not be excessive.

Right now I will take them fighting twice a year against the best vs 5 times a year agains 5 bums. Right now thats what we are getting from other guys. Those guys go after the best fight possible. Manny taking on Margo (eventhough he is a cheater) is a huge risk and is one of the best fights that can be made for Pac. There are a few others he could have fought but none of them present that big of a challenge.

You're assuming a bs false choice. There is NO reason for either. 2-3 times a year in big fights and twice a year in tune-ups is hardly excessive and would make them better fighters.

I refuse to accept a lowering of standards so we can call someone special.

For you its lowering a standard for me its raising since I have grown up in this era. Thats kinda sad huh?

Hadn't thought of it quite that way. YUCK!!!!!!!

Now go read some boxing history you frakkin youngun!

I think I might do that I have a little extra time right now. My class is building forts and learning fort construction. I am doing nothing today. LOL

Are they defending against crazed Gauls or Plains Indians or Alexander?

The north's cannons. AKA a potato gun. Its fun to destroy these things.

UH-oh. Northern Artillery in the War of Northern Aggression was no joke. My advice is to evacuate, get on horseback and find the great-great-great-great grandson of Nathan Bedford Forrest! Save your confederate money boys!

Ali_1748 wrote:

Oh really, then why is Gamboa reluctant to face Caballero, and why is Solis reluctant to eat a salad ?

Gamboa's agreed to fight JML, I don't think we yet have a complaint there. I mean it's not like he's fighting Audley Harrison's equivalent. If after that fight he doesn't battle Caballero? I agree. Solis is the Cuban outlier at this point. He's Arreola as near as I can figure.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Everything else is an excuse. The problem is most fighters are not seeking glory with sufficient intensity.

Thats why right now and in recent boxing history guys like Pac, Wlad, Vitali, Oscar, Shane, and a few others should be put on a pedestal.

Yeah, though guys fighting twice a year? The pedestal ought not be excessive.

Right now I will take them fighting twice a year against the best vs 5 times a year agains 5 bums. Right now thats what we are getting from other guys. Those guys go after the best fight possible. Manny taking on Margo (eventhough he is a cheater) is a huge risk and is one of the best fights that can be made for Pac. There are a few others he could have fought but none of them present that big of a challenge.

You're assuming a bs false choice. There is NO reason for either. 2-3 times a year in big fights and twice a year in tune-ups is hardly excessive and would make them better fighters.

I refuse to accept a lowering of standards so we can call someone special.

For you its lowering a standard for me its raising since I have grown up in this era. Thats kinda sad huh?

Hadn't thought of it quite that way. YUCK!!!!!!!

Now go read some boxing history you frakkin youngun!

I think I might do that I have a little extra time right now. My class is building forts and learning fort construction. I am doing nothing today. LOL

Are they defending against crazed Gauls or Plains Indians or Alexander?

The north's cannons. AKA a potato gun. Its fun to destroy these things.

UH-oh. Northern Artillery in the War of Northern Aggression was no joke. My advice is to evacuate, get on horseback and find the great-great-great-great grandson of Nathan Bedford Forrest! Save your confederate money boys!

This is Oklahoma History we have Stand Watie. He was the last General to surrender. Very hard to top Watie. He is the Henry Armstrong of the Civil War. Mixed blood indian who did amazing things.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

Oh really, then why is Gamboa reluctant to face Caballero, and why is Solis reluctant to eat a salad ?

Gamboa's agreed to fight JML, I don't think we yet have a complaint there. I mean it's not like he's fighting Audley Harrison's equivalent. If after that fight he doesn't battle Caballero? I agree. Solis is the Cuban outlier at this point. He's Arreola as near as I can figure.

I think JML is a much tougher fight for Gamboa anyways.

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Everything else is an excuse. The problem is most fighters are not seeking glory with sufficient intensity.

Thats why right now and in recent boxing history guys like Pac, Wlad, Vitali, Oscar, Shane, and a few others should be put on a pedestal.

Yeah, though guys fighting twice a year? The pedestal ought not be excessive.

Right now I will take them fighting twice a year against the best vs 5 times a year agains 5 bums. Right now thats what we are getting from other guys. Those guys go after the best fight possible. Manny taking on Margo (eventhough he is a cheater) is a huge risk and is one of the best fights that can be made for Pac. There are a few others he could have fought but none of them present that big of a challenge.

You're assuming a bs false choice. There is NO reason for either. 2-3 times a year in big fights and twice a year in tune-ups is hardly excessive and would make them better fighters.

I refuse to accept a lowering of standards so we can call someone special.

For you its lowering a standard for me its raising since I have grown up in this era. Thats kinda sad huh?

Hadn't thought of it quite that way. YUCK!!!!!!!

Now go read some boxing history you frakkin youngun!

I think I might do that I have a little extra time right now. My class is building forts and learning fort construction. I am doing nothing today. LOL

Are they defending against crazed Gauls or Plains Indians or Alexander?

The north's cannons. AKA a potato gun. Its fun to destroy these things.

UH-oh. Northern Artillery in the War of Northern Aggression was no joke. My advice is to evacuate, get on horseback and find the great-great-great-great grandson of Nathan Bedford Forrest! Save your confederate money boys!

This is Oklahoma History we have Stand Watie. He was the last General to surrender. Very hard to top Watie. He is the Henry Armstrong of the Civil War. Mixed blood indian who did amazing things.

See I leanred something today. I only know a tiny bit about Watie and that relates to his role when the Chrerokee's had there big disagreement over The Trail of Tears.
Got a book for me or should I go search myself?

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Everything else is an excuse. The problem is most fighters are not seeking glory with sufficient intensity.

Thats why right now and in recent boxing history guys like Pac, Wlad, Vitali, Oscar, Shane, and a few others should be put on a pedestal.

Yeah, though guys fighting twice a year? The pedestal ought not be excessive.

Right now I will take them fighting twice a year against the best vs 5 times a year agains 5 bums. Right now thats what we are getting from other guys. Those guys go after the best fight possible. Manny taking on Margo (eventhough he is a cheater) is a huge risk and is one of the best fights that can be made for Pac. There are a few others he could have fought but none of them present that big of a challenge.

You're assuming a bs false choice. There is NO reason for either. 2-3 times a year in big fights and twice a year in tune-ups is hardly excessive and would make them better fighters.

I refuse to accept a lowering of standards so we can call someone special.

For you its lowering a standard for me its raising since I have grown up in this era. Thats kinda sad huh?

Hadn't thought of it quite that way. YUCK!!!!!!!

Now go read some boxing history you frakkin youngun!

I think I might do that I have a little extra time right now. My class is building forts and learning fort construction. I am doing nothing today. LOL

Are they defending against crazed Gauls or Plains Indians or Alexander?

The north's cannons. AKA a potato gun. Its fun to destroy these things.

UH-oh. Northern Artillery in the War of Northern Aggression was no joke. My advice is to evacuate, get on horseback and find the great-great-great-great grandson of Nathan Bedford Forrest! Save your confederate money boys!

This is Oklahoma History we have Stand Watie. He was the last General to surrender. Very hard to top Watie. He is the Henry Armstrong of the Civil War. Mixed blood indian who did amazing things.

See I leanred something today. I only know a tiny bit about Watie and that relates to his role when the Chrerokee's had there big disagreement over The Trail of Tears.
Got a book for me or should I go search myself?

Rifles for Watie is the most popular book but its more of a kids book.

I tell you what let me check and see what I can find for you. We have a teacher here who use to be a professor he will know.

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Everything else is an excuse. The problem is most fighters are not seeking glory with sufficient intensity.

Thats why right now and in recent boxing history guys like Pac, Wlad, Vitali, Oscar, Shane, and a few others should be put on a pedestal.

Yeah, though guys fighting twice a year? The pedestal ought not be excessive.

Right now I will take them fighting twice a year against the best vs 5 times a year agains 5 bums. Right now thats what we are getting from other guys. Those guys go after the best fight possible. Manny taking on Margo (eventhough he is a cheater) is a huge risk and is one of the best fights that can be made for Pac. There are a few others he could have fought but none of them present that big of a challenge.

You're assuming a bs false choice. There is NO reason for either. 2-3 times a year in big fights and twice a year in tune-ups is hardly excessive and would make them better fighters.

I refuse to accept a lowering of standards so we can call someone special.

For you its lowering a standard for me its raising since I have grown up in this era. Thats kinda sad huh?

Hadn't thought of it quite that way. YUCK!!!!!!!

Now go read some boxing history you frakkin youngun!

I think I might do that I have a little extra time right now. My class is building forts and learning fort construction. I am doing nothing today. LOL

Are they defending against crazed Gauls or Plains Indians or Alexander?

The north's cannons. AKA a potato gun. Its fun to destroy these things.

UH-oh. Northern Artillery in the War of Northern Aggression was no joke. My advice is to evacuate, get on horseback and find the great-great-great-great grandson of Nathan Bedford Forrest! Save your confederate money boys!

This is Oklahoma History we have Stand Watie. He was the last General to surrender. Very hard to top Watie. He is the Henry Armstrong of the Civil War. Mixed blood indian who did amazing things.

See I leanred something today. I only know a tiny bit about Watie and that relates to his role when the Chrerokee's had there big disagreement over The Trail of Tears.
Got a book for me or should I go search myself?

Rifles for Watie is the most popular book but its more of a kids book.

I tell you what let me check and see what I can find for you. We have a teacher here who use to be a professor he will know.

Many thanks!

Have you guys ever heard of trimming down comments ?

Ali_1748 wrote:

Have you guys ever heard of trimming down comments ?

I thought I was being polite. What is the accepted standard so that others can follow a conversation?

WinstonSmith wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

WinstonSmith wrote:

As the Heavyweight division goes,so goes boxing.

I don't buy that quote, if we had all the best fighting the best right now the sport would be fine.

Americans don't give a rip about the Klitschkos.I do remember in the 80's when non HW fighters were carrying the sport,so you may have a valid point there.

Boxing is losing this generation to MMA.At least in MMA you have guys who will fight anybody at the drop of a dime and for far less money than boxers earn.

Nah I disagree with this, well the MMA part at least. Boxing has better match ups then MMA by far. MMA guys still dont always fight the best. Silva is still fighting bums and so is GSP. BJ Penn is shot. Rua is defending against the wrong guy. GSP refused to Silva, which was a dream fight at one point. The last anticipated UFC match was Lesnar vs Carwin (Penn vs Edgar also) BTW I look foward in watching Lesnar vs Valasquez (UFC HW are amazing fights IMO).

Those MMA mismatches are more excieting because of the way they end their opponent by tap out or some one punch KO. In boxing when you have two of the top guys going at it, the fight is at a different level. I think boxing is still a few step higher then MMA at this point.

I just think the probelm with boxing is fighter want to be paid a ton to fight another top fighter. I mean everyone wants to makemoney like DLH, the probelm is no one can draw like DLH.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

Have you guys ever heard of trimming down comments ?

I thought I was being polite. What is the accepted standard so that others can follow a conversation?

I mean trimming down on the quotes, I've got no problem with you two having a conversation

Ali_1748 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

Have you guys ever heard of trimming down comments ?

I thought I was being polite. What is the accepted standard so that others can follow a conversation?

I mean trimming down on the quotes, I've got no problem with you two having a conversation

You are one grumpy little bastard. Get off the computer and get some pussy.

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

Have you guys ever heard of trimming down comments ?

I thought I was being polite. What is the accepted standard so that others can follow a conversation?

I mean trimming down on the quotes, I've got no problem with you two having a conversation

You are one grumpy little bastard. Get off the computer and get some pussy.

wo nelly, I am not grumpy it was just a suggestion.

Ali_1748 wrote:

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

Have you guys ever heard of trimming down comments ?

I thought I was being polite. What is the accepted standard so that others can follow a conversation?

I mean trimming down on the quotes, I've got no problem with you two having a conversation

You are one grumpy little bastard. Get off the computer and get some pussy.

wo nelly, I am not grumpy it was just a suggestion.

The tone in which you typed was grumpy.

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

Have you guys ever heard of trimming down comments ?

I thought I was being polite. What is the accepted standard so that others can follow a conversation?

I mean trimming down on the quotes, I've got no problem with you two having a conversation

You are one grumpy little bastard. Get off the computer and get some pussy.

wo nelly, I am not grumpy it was just a suggestion.

The tone in which you typed was grumpy.

Tone isn't easy to address when you're on the internet, if you saw the expression on my face during the process I had a cheeky smile.

[[/quote]Tone isn't easy to address when you're on the internet, if you saw the expression on my face during the process I had a cheeky smile.[/quote]

OK all is forgiven.

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

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Tone isn't easy to address when you're on the internet, if you saw the expression on my face during the process I had a cheeky smile.[/quote]

OK all is forgiven.[/quote]

Now go get your shine box !!!