Junior Dos Santos' chances against Brock/Cain winner?

I give him a less than 10% chance of winning against either. He won't KO Brock and his wrestling is not good enough for either.

JDS gets beat by Cain, Brock, Shane and i have believed this for a while now

Birdofthad wrote:

JDS gets beat by Cain, Brock, Shane and i have believed this for a while now

Me also. Only Wolf would argue this. I believe Fedor, Overeem and Mir beat him also.

agree

people say JDS went through a murderers row, all i know is he was having a tough time with an old Mirco , did beat Werdum, and had to go 3 with Fat Roy Daddy

JDS vs Big Nog next IMO

Birdofthad wrote:

agree

people say JDS went through a murderers row, all i know is he was having a tough time with an old Mirco , did beat Werdum, and had to go 3 with Fat Roy Daddy

JDS vs Big Nog next IMO

Big Nog is his mentor. They'll never fight each other.

doh

I would give him a shot against both. he has very good standup and that fight last night going 3 rounds really helped him. Going 3 rounds with a very tough guy and realizing he isnt going to KO every1 is huge for a young guy to learn. He will be a very tough guy for either brock or cain.

Slim against Cain, even slimmer against Brock.

50/50 against Lesnar. In 6 UFC fights he has barely touched the mat and is fast and athletic - attributes natural wrestlers need. Nelson is a good MMA wrestler and has never had problems getting guys down. Cain is a level or two above Lesnar in MMA wrestling and is a much better striker than Lesnar. The only way that Lesnar and Dos Santos fight in the near future is if Lesnar beats Cain, which is unlikely.

Cigano squares up better against Brock than he does with Cain.

I can see Cain's outworking him to a decision, Brock on the other hand has poor stand up which will be exploited by Jr's boxing, I wouldn't be shocked if he knocked Brock out.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

50/50 against Lesnar. In 6 UFC fights he has barely touched the mat and is fast and athletic - attributes natural wrestlers need. Nelson is a good MMA wrestler and has never had problems getting guys down. Cain is a level or two above Lesnar in MMA wrestling and is a much better striker than Lesnar. The only way that Lesnar and Dos Santos fight in the near future is if Lesnar earns a shot by beating Cain, which is unlikely.

No it isnt. It will be unlikely if Cain wins.

I'd pick Nelson, Cain, Dos Santos and Carwin against Brock Lesnar.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I'd pick Nelson, Cain, Dos Santos and Carwin against Brock Lesnar.

We know. U picked carwin the first time and was wrong!!! U are picking cain and will be wrong!! then u will pick JDS and be wrong again!! I think if they put Struve in against Brock u would say some shit about how with his reach he could knock brock out or some shit LOL!!!!

Tim did you go to college?

No sir.

Before the year 2005 how many WWE PPV had you watched? Over 10?

Never watched WWE ppvs. Way to poor to afford them. Has nothing to do with wrestling as much as it does i think he can beat these guys and u dont. Brock is alot better than you ever give him credit for and as much as it kills u cause he USED to be a wrestler he is the champ and is very talented.

Crappy striker, runs away when hit, can't get other wrestlers down in a sport full of wrestlers. Lesnar is on borrowed time. You need to start accepting this now or the grief process will be too difficult. Like arguing why your 80 year old grandma isn't gonna die tooth and nail.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Crappy striker, runs away when hit, can't get other wrestlers down in a sport full of wrestlers. Lesnar is on borrowed time. You need to start accepting this now or the grief process will be too difficult. Like arguing why your 80 year old grandma isn't gonna die tooth and nail.

Every1 loses eventually ur right ask ur boy Fedor but even if he does he is running through a stretch of guys right now that no 1 else would probably get out with out a loss and he has a legit shot to. Carwin was first and as ugly as it was he still won. cain will be next in my opion and will probably be the toughest fight of the 3 in my opion but if and when he survives then will u pick him vs JDS??? Probably not nevermind LOL.

I've always thought Cigano has the best chance of beating Lesnar.

Junior's wrestling was always a question but to see him effortlessly keep off his back against Nelson I know he won't be taken down at will against Lesnar.

Lesnar is far from Chael Sonnen. Mark Munoz is a better MW analogy.

Difference between Lesnar and Roy is strength and size, Brock's takedowns will be harder to shake off with his superior strength and 265lb's of shredded muscle.

Doesn't matter. Lesnar's takedowns have been mediocre in the UFC apart from the fights against Herring and Mir. Mir has always had admittedly bad, not average or typical, but bad takedown defense, and Heath Herring, a man once controlled by the late Evan Tanner. And old Herring has bad takedown defense too.

Lesnar has never had wrestling success against athletic fighters or fighters with good takedown defense. Never.

I believe Lesnar can take him down, but is it enough to win a decision or stop the fight? I don't know.

Gonzaga and Nelson are great wrestlers in terms of MMA and Dos Santos was never threated by their takedowns even a little bit.

He was completely away from wrestling competition for 8 years before he picked MMA up. People really need to let go of this idea that Lesnar's size makes up for all the areas he lacks in striking and wrestling skill.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Doesn't matter. Lesnar's takedowns have been mediocre in the UFC apart from the fights against Herring and Mir. Mir has always had admittedly bad, not average or typical, but bad takedown defense, and Heath Herring, a man once controlled by the late Evan Tanner. And old Herring has bad takedown defense too.

Lesnar has never had wrestling success against athletic fighters or fighters with good takedown defense. Never.

I believe Lesnar can take him down, but is it enough to win a decision or stop the fight? I don't know.

Gonzaga and Nelson are great wrestlers in terms of MMA and Dos Santos was never threated by their takedowns even a little bit.

He was completely away from wrestling competition for 8 years before he picked MMA up. People really need to let go of this idea that Lesnar's size makes up for all the areas he lacks in striking and wrestling skill.

very good points wolf but my problem with the arguement that JDS wasnt taken down by Gonzaga or Roy is they didnt try to take him down until they was hurt. Roy tryed to stand last night until he realized there was no way he could just stand and trade with JDS. Maybe if they tryed it earlier when the fight first starts they maybe can wear him down alittle. Roy tried once early and had JDS up against the cage and really never went back too it until he was hurt pretty bad. Maybe brock trys early and often and then we will see what happens.

Gonzaga shot and dude immediately popped back up.