This year's NCAA winner wasn't from Missouri. Unless he's talking about Max Askren, and he's not 280 lbs. He's more like 180 lbs.

I donno, but I guess Lashley's post college Olympic team creds crush Lesnar's after reading some comments about this article on other websites.

Mark Ellis won the HW nation title last year.

David Zabriskie (Iowa State) Dec Jared Rosholt (Oklahoma State) this year at HW.

Ellis finished 6th this year.

Doesn't really take anything away from Thompson assessment though. Guy was best in show as a 270 lbs junior.

I'm assuming that is who they are talking about.

Anyways, not the point. The point is, Velasquez was wrestling against Konrad and Steve Mocco, probably the best collegiate heavyweights ever. I believe Velasquez even beat Mocco at least once. He was definitely facing a tougher group of wrestlers, and was always very successful at avoiding takedowns. Lesnar didn't come in at such a tough time for his division. Of course, Lesnar had to wrestle Stephen Neal who was definitely no pushover, but after Neal graduated, there wasn't much left. We definitely shouldn't just automatically give the wrestling edge to Lesnar because he won a national championship.

Yet wrestling in the Pac-10 isn't the same as the Big 10 either so it starts getting murky there along with the difference in time by a couple years.

He also beat Konrad once in college too. He never made it to the finals but only because he had to face Konrad in the semis who then beat him.

He also isn't ten years removed from his pedigree. Cain will probably get Brock down easier than the reverse. I say this with the full understanding a bunch of people will post inflated size differentials as evidence otherwise. No need, read about it before gents.

Cain by "shocking upset" that makes me a lot of money and wins me like 12 sig bets on this website.

Cain was recruited by numerous Big 10 schools I read. Iowa among others went after him. He went to a Pac-10 school to be close to home is my understanding.

Pretty sure Brock trains with Konrad........

Thats great and all that he turned down Big 10 schools for the Pac-10 but the fact remains that steel sharpens steel. Throw a highly talented kid into a lower bracket for four years and put him up with someone not quite as talented but who spent four years at the very top of the food chain and it shouldn't be quite a surprise to see which one wins in the end.

On the ends, Brock is bigger lets just say

WTF?!

He does. The thing is Konrad wasn't a takedown wrestler at all and almost never shot in college. His wrestling style is horrible for MMA. His takedowns were blocked by a 240 pound average D3 wrestler in Bellator. I think there is a reason Konrad was passed up by the UFC. They are adept at finding MMA ready wrestlers and talent and they weren't interested in Cole Konrad. While Cole Konrad ended up being the better college wrestler, he absolutely is not the better MMA wrestler.

Someone with a better understanding of college wrestling could explain this better than I. Styles play a huge part in it though, similarly to styles of boxing being more suited for MMA.

Toney for instance has about the worst style to convert to MMA with the emphasis on bobbing, ducking and weaving in the pocket, where as someone like Floyd or the Klit bros with a defense outside style would find transitioning to MMA striking or even K1 style fighting a lot easier.

Overall Lesnar's training partners suck ass. Konrad, Tuscherer, Madsen. Pretty pedestrian bunch in MMA terms.