Who wins this Heavyweight tournament?

Every fighter at his peak fighting 3 rounds in the UFC.

Randy Couture vs Mark Coleman
Andre Arlovski vs Mirco Cro Cop

Josh Barnett vs Frank Mir
Brock Lesnar vs Big Nog

Im not a Lesnar guy but I think he'd beat anyone's ass in that tournament.

Randy Couture vs Mark Coleman
Andre Arlovski vs Mirco Cro Cop
Josh Barnett vs Frank Mir
Brock Lesnar vs Big Nog

Randy Couture vs Mirco Cro Cop
Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir

Brock Lesnar vs Mirco Cro Cop

Same as above ^^

Lesnar would win it.

Randy Couture vs Mark Coleman
Andre Arlovski vs Mirko Cro Cop

Josh Barnett vs Frank Mir
Brock Lesnar vs Big Nog - this is an easy pick when Nog couldn't be stopped. Lesnar tires himself after a couple rounds of hug and hammer and gets armbarred in the third.

Barnett over Nog split decison

Crocop over Couture KO

Crocop over Barnett TKO for a fourth time.


Mirko Crocop is not and never will be your friend.

There isn't any possible way Lesnar avoids the sub forever. Be serious men.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

There isn't any possible way Lesnar avoids the sub forever. Be serious men.

3 rounds Lesnar would beat him down in the first and it would be stopped. We aren't talking about a green Brock who doesn't know sub defense. I just don't see Nog getting away from the control of Lesnar.

Yeah unfortunately Brock takes this tournament every time. At his peak Lesnar is trouble for anyone who isn't the same size as him.

Lesnar wouldn't have enough cardio and sub defense to finish Nog. He couldn't finish Herring. There is no way he'd extend himself enough to generate the required knockout blows against Nogs chin in his prime. None. Lesnar would fight a tight low risk GnP game. This would also mean less oppourtunity for Nog to finish off his back Lesnar won't be able to work the gameplan he did against Mir here. The only way Lesnar wins is by decision but I still think Nog would sub him late. Lesnar has only been doing MMA for a few short years. Lesnar's sub defense wouldn't be significantly better than Sylvia, Crocop, Coleman, Henderson, Enson Inoue or any of the guys Nog has subbed and there is no reason or data to suggest his BJJ is other than the weight of expectations.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Lesnar wouldn't have enough cardio and sub defense to finish Nog. He couldn't finish Herring. There is no way he'd extend himself enough to generate the required knockout blows against Nogs chin in his prime. None. Lesnar would fight a tight low risk GnP game. This would also mean less oppourtunity for Nog to finish off his back Lesnar won't be able to work the gameplan he did against Mir here. The only way Lesnar wins is by decision but I still think Nog would sub him late. Lesnar has only been doing MMA for a few short years. Lesnar's sub defense wouldn't be significantly better than Sylvia, Crocop, Coleman, Henderson, Enson Inoue or any of the guys Nog has subbed and there is no reason or data to suggest his BJJ is other than the weight of expectations.

Well.. everyone in this tournament would be at their peaks.. So with Lesnar you almost have to jump to the future, his sub defense, cardio, and overall fighting ability will continue to get better I think... So unfortunately, I do believe that in Lesnar's prime he will be too much for Big Nog.

Only Fedor or a long layoff can beat Brock right now.

Few wrestlers who started MMA late in their lives have typically been able to develop good sub defense in under five years. Lesnar will be pretty old before his sub defense catches up to him. Couture, Coleman, Severn and Randleman immediately pop into mind. Granted training has changed since these guys were young, but more recent trends point to similar results when wrestlers jump to this level of competition. Jake Rosholt has been submitted, Joe Warren has been submitted, ect. Put King Mo in little Nogs guard, I dare you.

Nog wins this fight via classic armbar.

GolbeZ wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Lesnar wouldn't have enough cardio and sub defense to finish Nog. He couldn't finish Herring. There is no way he'd extend himself enough to generate the required knockout blows against Nogs chin in his prime. None. Lesnar would fight a tight low risk GnP game. This would also mean less oppourtunity for Nog to finish off his back Lesnar won't be able to work the gameplan he did against Mir here. The only way Lesnar wins is by decision but I still think Nog would sub him late. Lesnar has only been doing MMA for a few short years. Lesnar's sub defense wouldn't be significantly better than Sylvia, Crocop, Coleman, Henderson, Enson Inoue or any of the guys Nog has subbed and there is no reason or data to suggest his BJJ is other than the weight of expectations.

Well.. everyone in this tournament would be at their peaks.. So with Lesnar you almost have to jump to the future, his sub defense, cardio, and overall fighting ability will continue to get better I think... So unfortunately, I do believe that in Lesnar's prime he will be too much for Big Nog.

Nog was at his best when he showed he could take more of a beating by Fedor than any other guy in the game. Wolf compare the few that both have fought and you will find the answer. You make threads like this to bash Brock. Next time include someone like Cain, Fedor, or Carwin so you have a legit guy that could beat him for your Anti-Brock rants.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Few wrestlers who started MMA late in their lives have typically been able to develop good sub defense in under five years. Lesnar will be pretty old before his sub defense catches up to him. Couture, Coleman, Severn and Randleman immediately pop into mind. Granted training has changed since these guys were young, but more recent trends point to similar results when wrestlers jump to this level of competition. Jake Rosholt has been submitted, Joe Warren has been submitted, ect. Put King Mo in little Nogs guard, I dare you.

Nog wins this fight via classic armbar.

Yeah, but none of the guys that you mentioned would have a huge size and strength advantage like Lesnar would. Put into account that this guy is a freak athlete for his size. He is not being trained normal BJJ, but rather ways to use his strength and size advantage to defend sub attempts.. so he might not become a black belt in bjj, but his sub defense is going to get better.

GolbeZ wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Few wrestlers who started MMA late in their lives have typically been able to develop good sub defense in under five years. Lesnar will be pretty old before his sub defense catches up to him. Couture, Coleman, Severn and Randleman immediately pop into mind. Granted training has changed since these guys were young, but more recent trends point to similar results when wrestlers jump to this level of competition. Jake Rosholt has been submitted, Joe Warren has been submitted, ect. Put King Mo in little Nogs guard, I dare you.

Nog wins this fight via classic armbar.

Yeah, but none of the guys that you mentioned would have a huge size and strength advantage like Lesnar would. Put into account that this guy is a freak athlete for his size. He is not being trained normal BJJ, but rather ways to use his strength and size advantage to defend sub attempts.. so he might not become a black belt in bjj, but his sub defense is going to get better.

Zach Lee!

Those 10 foot arms are begging to be broken.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Those 10 foot arms are begging to be broken.

I just don't see his arms ever "getting broken" .. I am pretty convinced that he needs to be KTFO.. which is possible in this next fight.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Few wrestlers who started MMA late in their lives have typically been able to develop good sub defense in under five years. Lesnar will be pretty old before his sub defense catches up to him. Couture, Coleman, Severn and Randleman immediately pop into mind. Granted training has changed since these guys were young, but more recent trends point to similar results when wrestlers jump to this level of competition. Jake Rosholt has been submitted, Joe Warren has been submitted, ect. Put King Mo in little Nogs guard, I dare you.

Nog wins this fight via classic armbar.

MMA was still in it's infancy when these guys started out in it. Couture was also almost middle aged by the time he got into the game. Jake Rosholt is just one of those guys who just didn't cross over well, thats not enough evidence to blanket an entire genre of guys who enter into MMA. For every Couture, Severn, Randleman, Coleman, and Rosholt I can give you a Sakuraba, Vovchanchyn, Rampage, Koscheck, Hughes, and Lindland.

And Lesnars arm's aren't monstrously long for his size. The reason his total span is 84" or something like that has more to do with the way reach is measured in MMA. They measure it from hand to hand across the chest. The answer lies in his chest more than his arms. The fact that he has a chest for the Arnold Classic skews the numbers. Jon Jones has freakish reach, Brock Lesnar does not.

He still enjoys a good length advantage. Couture cited that as the main reason he lost the Lesnar fight, for what it's worth. He claimed he saw the blow that rocked him but in his game planning he didn't acount for how far he could reach, so the distance was off.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

He still enjoys a good length advantage. Couture cited that as the main reason he lost the Lesnar fight, for what it's worth. He claimed he saw the blow that rocked him but in his game planning he didn't acount for how far he could reach, so the distance was off.

blah, blah, blah! Did Randy see those hammer fists? Look at what Brock did to Heath, Mir, and Randy and compare to what Nog did to them. Brock beat them up alot worse and that proves something in a way. Brocks arms are to big for Nog to snatch when Brock bursts out of any potential threat Nog would pose on the ground.

Randy Couture vs Mark Coleman - Randy was/is just more complete

Andre Arlovski vs Mirco Cro Cop - AA is a fantastic striker, but even at his best the edge goes to Mirko, plus even at AA's peak he couldn't take the shots.

Josh Barnett vs Frank Mir - shocked, I mean shocked some people took Mir here, This is probably the easiest one to pick. I guess some forget how good Barnett is/was, at his best he would destroy Frank.

Brock Lesnar vs Big Nog - Brock is not Sapp, Brock is a beast, it'd be similar to the Mir fight.

Brock takes the whole thing, he's legit, same goes to Carwin, people (some) need to start understanding that.

Yes, I've heard it before BBC and LA, Brock has superpowers. I understand. Whatever.



No quarter will be given once Lesnar is exposed.

He's not gonna be exposed really, if he loses to Carwin who I also think it's tops, I still consider him a guy only maybe 3 other guys could beat.

The loser of that fight to me is still gona be a top 5 HW as long as they keep fighting.