Ring with Japan rules vs. Cage with American rules

I love the fight in a cage, however, I prefer the rules in Japan. I think however, the biggest problem is American judging sucks feces from deep inside of the anal cavity. Most of these guys seemingly have no concept of how BJJ/Sambo work and therefore they don't give points too the guy on there back. I have seen fights where these guys on the back are actually landing solid shots and the guy mounting him needs more than three striking attempts to land one flush shot, but they give it to the guy on top. How in the fuck is that constructive judging?

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

I love the fight in a cage, however, I prefer the rules in Japan. I think however, the biggest problem is American judging sucks feces from deep inside of the anal cavity. Most of these guys seemingly have no concept of how BJJ/Sambo work and therefore they don't give points too the guy on there back. I have seen fights where these guys on the back are actually landing solid shots and the guy mounting him needs more than three striking attempts to land one flush shot, but they give it to the guy on top. How in the fuck is that constructive judging?

I have noticed that several times the past few years. I think the judges will get better as time goes on, but they do need to be educated a bit in some ways.

I think the ring is terrible. I hate when they have to restart fights. I hate how much it favors strikers. The cage forces fighters to be more well-rounded. The ring makes people believe that Shinya Aoki is a p4p type of fighter, when he's clearly a 1 trick pony. That's silly to me. I also hate standing fights up. It's a fight, if you can't avoid getting taken down, or you can't do anything on the ground, you should lose. The idea that we feel the need to change the sport just so a bunch of uninformed people don't get bored during a few fights is silly to me. The fact is, fighters getting taken down and controlled should be a part of MMA. If you don't like it, go watch K-1. I also don't like how subjective it is for the refs. Some refs let fights stay on the ground for longer than others. That's stupid. Not to mention we wouldn't have to worry dumb refs who think it's ok to stand fights up in the middle of a fighter trying to set up a submission (cough cough Roy Nelson cough) if we took away that power.

chorky777 wrote:

I think the ring is terrible. I hate when they have to restart fights. I hate how much it favors strikers. The cage forces fighters to be more well-rounded. The ring makes people believe that Shinya Aoki is a p4p type of fighter, when he's clearly a 1 trick pony. That's silly to me. I also hate standing fights up. It's a fight, if you can't avoid getting taken down, or you can't do anything on the ground, you should lose. The idea that we feel the need to change the sport just so a bunch of uninformed people don't get bored during a few fights is silly to me. The fact is, fighters getting taken down and controlled should be a part of MMA. If you don't like it, go watch K-1. I also don't like how subjective it is for the refs. Some refs let fights stay on the ground for longer than others. That's stupid. Not to mention we wouldn't have to worry dumb refs who think it's ok to stand fights up in the middle of a fighter trying to set up a submission (cough cough Roy Nelson cough) if we took away that power.

I think Aoki is a bad example. I agree with the rest.

chorky777 wrote:

I think the ring is terrible. I hate when they have to restart fights. I hate how much it favors strikers. The cage forces fighters to be more well-rounded. The ring makes people believe that Shinya Aoki is a p4p type of fighter, when he's clearly a 1 trick pony. That's silly to me. I also hate standing fights up. It's a fight, if you can't avoid getting taken down, or you can't do anything on the ground, you should lose. The idea that we feel the need to change the sport just so a bunch of uninformed people don't get bored during a few fights is silly to me. The fact is, fighters getting taken down and controlled should be a part of MMA. If you don't like it, go watch K-1. I also don't like how subjective it is for the refs. Some refs let fights stay on the ground for longer than others. That's stupid. Not to mention we wouldn't have to worry dumb refs who think it's ok to stand fights up in the middle of a fighter trying to set up a submission (cough cough Roy Nelson cough) if we took away that power.

How does the ring play to Aoki's submission game?

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

chorky777 wrote:

I think the ring is terrible. I hate when they have to restart fights. I hate how much it favors strikers. The cage forces fighters to be more well-rounded. The ring makes people believe that Shinya Aoki is a p4p type of fighter, when he's clearly a 1 trick pony. That's silly to me. I also hate standing fights up. It's a fight, if you can't avoid getting taken down, or you can't do anything on the ground, you should lose. The idea that we feel the need to change the sport just so a bunch of uninformed people don't get bored during a few fights is silly to me. The fact is, fighters getting taken down and controlled should be a part of MMA. If you don't like it, go watch K-1. I also don't like how subjective it is for the refs. Some refs let fights stay on the ground for longer than others. That's stupid. Not to mention we wouldn't have to worry dumb refs who think it's ok to stand fights up in the middle of a fighter trying to set up a submission (cough cough Roy Nelson cough) if we took away that power.

I think Aoki is a bad example. I agree with the rest.

Well, I only picked Aoki because he was a recent guy that people actually thought was a really good pound for pound type guy, when he's shown absolutely no wrestling ability. I mean, he dealt with a decent wrestler in Eddie Alvarez, so maybe I shouldn't have picked on him so much, but he's just not well-rounded enough for me to think that greatly of him.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

chorky777 wrote:

I think the ring is terrible. I hate when they have to restart fights. I hate how much it favors strikers. The cage forces fighters to be more well-rounded. The ring makes people believe that Shinya Aoki is a p4p type of fighter, when he's clearly a 1 trick pony. That's silly to me. I also hate standing fights up. It's a fight, if you can't avoid getting taken down, or you can't do anything on the ground, you should lose. The idea that we feel the need to change the sport just so a bunch of uninformed people don't get bored during a few fights is silly to me. The fact is, fighters getting taken down and controlled should be a part of MMA. If you don't like it, go watch K-1. I also don't like how subjective it is for the refs. Some refs let fights stay on the ground for longer than others. That's stupid. Not to mention we wouldn't have to worry dumb refs who think it's ok to stand fights up in the middle of a fighter trying to set up a submission (cough cough Roy Nelson cough) if we took away that power.

How does the ring play to Aoki's submission game?

It doesn't. It plays against his opponent's ability to stop his submission game.

How does it do that?

to answer your question Mark Coleman did good in Pride and Randleman wasnt too shabby either

I didnt ask that question at all bird. lol

as a matter of fact, i cited a few wrestlers who have done well in the ring. I'm not saying wrestlers can't do well in the ring. I'm saying the guys who depend on the fence being there to have success and also the american interpretation on "winning" might not.

I think the cage and american rules plays too much to wrestlers and big guys who want to outpoint everybody. How many "wrestlers" have had success in the ring but not nearly as much as they have had in the cage and within american rules


guess I misinterpreted this my b

Yeah, i didnt ask that expecting there to be nobody. It was rhetorical because everybody knows the answer is "not as many as in the cage".

Don't get me wrong. I don't dislike the cage. I just like the ring and more so the Japan rules and judging system more.

I get ya, I like the cage more honestly but both are awesome

and the big difference I loved that I miss (in the cage) is the soccer kicks, kicks to a grounded opponent, etc.

Here is the end all...RING SUCKS, CAGE RULES, AMERICAN RULES NEED TO BE CHANGED TO JAPANESE RULES! ALLOW FOOT STOMPS, YELLOW CARDS, MICS ON THE REF.

yes I was yelling. Just like when a ref yells at a fighter and it makes them do work!

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

Here is the end all...RING SUCKS, CAGE RULES, AMERICAN RULES NEED TO BE CHANGED TO JAPANESE RULES! ALLOW FOOT STOMPS, YELLOW CARDS, MICS ON THE REF.....AND THE SCREAMING LADY DOING INTRODUCTIONS

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KingsOwn19 wrote:

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

Here is the end all...RING SUCKS, CAGE RULES, AMERICAN RULES NEED TO BE CHANGED TO JAPANESE RULES! ALLOW FOOT STOMPS, YELLOW CARDS, MICS ON THE REF.....AND THE SCREAMING LADY DOING INTRODUCTIONS

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def good call!

Have Buffer do the inro and all that and right after he says "Fighting out the red corner" then the japanese chick yells the name. What an idea.