Pakistan Show USA Drone Attacks

Since 2008 the USA has conducted 317 drone strikes in Pakistan
2,160 terrorist have been killed
67 civilians have been killed
Says pakistan
http://m.timesofindia.com/world/pakistan/2160-militants-67-civilians-killed-in-US-drone-strikes-so-far-Pakistan/articleshow/24932495.cms

Eat a dick oggy

thats awesome numbers! all behind this if those are true.

These numbers really are just amazing
For all the bitchin about drones since 2008, well the numbers are in
And it's from pakistans own Military

So you're happy civilians got killed? you're fucked up.

No we're happy that our drone attacks only have a 3% civilian casualty rate
In reality people like you are mad the numbers aren't higher

There should be zero civilians killed.

Tell that to the Pakistani Taliban
They've killed 40,000 Pakistanis

In truth there should be 0 civilians killed, however we don't live in a perfect world. And if these numbers are the real deal then whatever is being done is pretty goddamn spectacular seeing as it's not risking american lives, and the risk to civilians is very low as well. 67 casualties compared to the thousands that have been killed in bus/train bombings in the last ten years, or even the last four years.

Bird I want all the terrorists dead also but I don't believe in any civilians being killed in any country in the world. 2 evils don't make a right.

While I understand that, this is war. We are goin to bomb these sites so might as well use a process
That guarantees no American deaths and minimal civilian seats
Everyone talks about the 60,000 we killed with the 2 bombs but forget
That we killed a million people when we fire bombed Tokyo and Dresden
I feel really bac for innocent people killed in north and south Waziristan drone strikes but when
A government is openly allowing terrorists to operate, we must act

Recently, a United Nations special rapporteur on human rights and counterterrorism, Ben Emmerson, said that the Pakistani government had reported at least 400 civilian deaths since the drone campaign started in 2004.

In an email, Mr. Emmerson noted that the revised figures were “strikingly at odds” with those he had been given earlier by the Pakistani Foreign Ministry and said he would be writing to the government seeking clarification.

“It is essential that the government of Pakistan now clarify the true position,” he said.

The discrepancy in the various figures highlights both the opaque nature of the American campaign and the failure of the Pakistani authorities to properly investigate drone strikes, said Mustafa Qadri, a researcher with Amnesty International.

The American government should be “the first place to ask” about casualty figures, he said in an email. “If the strikes are precise and legal, then the U.S. should disclose the videos of the strikes and their full legal basis.” Although the drone program remains classified and the Obama administration has never given an official estimate of civilian casualties.

A related problem, experts say, is trying to define civilians and casualties in a remote conflict zone like North Waziristan — particularly given that the international debate over the legality of drone strikes remains unresolved.

Ascertaining the truth about what happens in the tribal belt, a dangerous and lawless area along the Afghan border, is notoriously difficult. And new evidence from human rights groups, bolstered by witness testimony that was delivered by a Pakistani family in Washington this week, suggests that the drones are not as foolproof as American — and now some Pakistani — officials have suggested.

Last week, Amnesty International released a report, written by Mr. Qadri, that concluded that at least 19 civilians were killed in just two drone strikes in 2012, including a woman in North Waziristan who was picking vegetables in a field with her grandchildren.

The dead woman’s son and two grandchildren spoke about the attack at a news conference in Washington on Tuesday that was arranged by the Brave New Foundation, a liberal advocacy group that has funded a new documentary about the drone wars.

One grandchild, Nabila Rehman, 9, described seeing two missiles fired from a drone kill her grandmother as they worked together in the field. Speaking in Pashto through an interpreter, the girl also said she had suffered shrapnel wounds to her right hand.

She was accompanied by her father, a teacher, and her 13-year-old brother, Zubair ur-Rehman, who said that he preferred cloudy days when bad weather grounded the drone fleet.

“When the sky brightens and becomes blue, the drones return, and so does the fear,” he said.

the idea that we are only killing bad guys with these drone strikes is complete and utter nonsense.

For instance, a very commonly used tactic in drone warfare is known as a "double tap" in which the first hell first hellfire missile is launched at the supposed targets, and then when a crowd gathers to try to help those people, including emergency workers, they fire another hellfire missle and kill the rest of the people who are trying to help.

And this has to be the most counter productive military tactic in the world. When we kill and injure innocent civilians we are creating blowback. The unintended consequences of civilians deaths is that you are now creating new enemies who weren't previously against us. But because we killed their family, they now devote their life to fighting us and probably end up joining terrorist groups.

Oggy knows more about Pakistan than
The Pakistan military

The Pakistan military have been sucking off America for years.

IMO they are a big part of the problem as elements of Isi support Taliban
Taliban was pakistans proxie on the sense that Hezbollah is irans proxie
After 9-11 we guaranteed Pakistan a billion in aide per year if they helped fight terrorism

Bin laden was found on a large city next to pakistans west point
Talibans Pakistan leader was in a compound next to a military installation

If you had a billion dollar lottery ticket due every year wouldnt you make sure the war on terror continues for as long as possible

So the Taliban moves into your neighborhood you deserve to die?

Published on Nov 20, 2013


A Yemeni delegation of family members of drone strike victims and human rights activists brought their story directly to member of Congress. At a congressional briefing, one Yemeni man described how his brother-in-law, an outspoken critic of Al Qaeda, was killed in a U.S. drone attack. The group is calling for an end to drone strikes in Yemen, and increased transparency and accountability in the drone campaign. RT Correspondent Liz Wahl brings you their story and the reaction on Capitol Hill.

I think it's horrible that some innocents are killed by drone strikes
But the consequences of letting al Qaeda and taliban members plan and operate freely in Yemen and Pakistan will be even more horrific.
We blew up the leader of the Pakistani Taliban last week.

Yemen is a country that was in a civil war up until 1992
Al Qaeda has extremely strong ties in the south
Because of this Yemen is the only other country in the world, beside USA, in an open campaign against al Qaeda. Al Qaeda in Arabian peninsula is the most dangerous branch of al Qaeda right now
They are responsible for time square bomb and underwear bomber.
With longtime president Salameh stepping down during Arab spring al Qaeda launche an offensive and seized parts f southern Yemen
Yemen allows USA drone bases and cooperates with the USA in a high amount of drone strikes.
Pakistan is where the core al Qaeda an Taliban leadership is.
Yemen is where the most dangerous branch of al Qaeda is attempting to seize lan and operate (like ore 911 in afghanistan)
It makes sense Pakistan an Yemen is where 85%+ of our drone strikes are in these countries.