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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:16 pm

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over 50% of people incarcerated in the united states are in there due to drug crimes. Then factor how many shootings are gang/drug related and concentrated in low income cities like Chicago and Detroit.

I know you want to paint the picture that Mr and Mrs. America are out there shooting each other down but that is not reality. Gang members killing each other over drugs massively inflates both murder rates and gun crime rates in America.
there are competing drug gangs in every country in the world.

shootings do happen in the UK, but the vast majority of violent crime is committed by either the fist and the boot, knives or improvised blunt/sharp objects. guns are rare, criminals know it's a mandatory 5 years if you get caught with one so even they don't do it casually.

i agree that crazy fuckers will do crazy things, if detroit gangstas didn't have guns they'd use knives and baseball bats instead, that's what they do in half the rest of the world. but they use guns because they're so easy to get hold of.

the only credible argument against gun control is that the situation is already way out of control to the extent there's no going back now, and i'm starting to err that way myself now i've written it out and read it back lol! 
Yes most countries have drugs. No most of them can not even compare to cities like Chicago, “the deadliest global city“, Detroit, which some parts of Detroit are now enter at your own risk (Cops don't even go there), NYC, and others.

You have pointed out an obvious flaw in your own argument, no, we cannot go back in time and uninvent the gun. Guns are a huge part of American culture and history.

There are plenty of credible arguments against Gun control, the most basic one is that gun control does not work. This has been proven statistically over and over again.

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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:18 pm

Yep just like banning alcohol didn't stop drinking. If anything it helped lined the pockets of criminals. Making guns illegal would just create a large market for gun smuggling.

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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:34 pm

yes, there is an obvious flaw in my argument.

gun control won't work, but the reason it won't work is because they've already written the second amendment and let any daft cunt have easy access to them. that doesn't mean it wouldn't have worked if they'd left the genie in the bottle to start with.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:37 pm

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yes, there is an obvious flaw in my argument.

gun control won't work, but the reason it won't work is because they've already written the second amendment and let any daft cunt have easy access to them. that doesn't mean it wouldn't have worked if they'd left the genie in the bottle to start with.


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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:40 pm

so now the brit is attacking the bill of rights and constitution. How classically red coat of you.

Im sorry the founding fathers beat that ass and started the greatest country, the most free and prosperous country, in the history of mankind and gave it's citizens the right to protect themselves. But you can't change history my friend, only repeat it.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:32 pm

From the book, Columbine, by Dave Cullen:

Eric had been looking into the Brady Bill. Congress had passed the law restricting the purchase of most popular semi-automatic machine guns in 1993. A federal system of instant background checks would soon go into effect. Eric was going to have a hard time getting around that.

“Fuck you, Brady,” Eric wrote in his journal. All he wanted was a couple of guns – “and thanks to your fucking bill I will probably not get any!” He wanted them only for personal protection, he joked: “It’s not like I’m some psycho who would go on a shooting spree. fuckers.”

Eric frequently made his research do double duty for both schoolwork and his master plan. He wrote up a short research assignment on the Brady bill that week. It was a good idea in theory, he said, aside from the loopholes. The biggest problem was that (background) checks applied only to licensed dealers, not private dealers. So two-thirds of the licensed dealers had just gone private. “The FBI just shot themselves in the foot, “ he concluded.

Eric was rational about his firepower. “As of this date, I have enough explosives to kill about 100 people,” he wrote. With axes, bayonets, and assorted blades, he could maybe take out ten more. That was as far as hand-to-hand combat would get him. A hundred and ten people. “That just isn’t enough!”

“Guns! The entry concluded. “I need guns! Give me some fucking firearms!”


Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold later acquired those firearms easily at a gun show. Eric and Dylan were both sixteen, but had an eighteen-year-old friend hand the money over to the dealer. No background checks, no questions asked. The rest, as they say, is history. Very sad and tragic history.

The facts are laid out before us, and yet we do not learn. How many more will die in mass shootings before we wake up? How many more mothers and fathers will lose children before we act? How much longer will we allow the NRA to dictate our nation’s laws?

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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:12 pm

If you give everyone a gun lives could've been saved from Columbine to Newtown. That's a fact. The guns are out there already and being stricter now days only helps the bad,crazy people.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Fri Oct 11, 2013 11:43 pm

Obama can keep trying to get our guns. It aint gonna work. Spread your fear mongering elsewhere Bird!

2nd amendment for the win!
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Fri Oct 11, 2013 11:55 pm

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/11/brown-vetoes-bill-banning-semi-automatic-rifles/#ixzz2hRpdUMhq

By Don Thompson - Associated Press | Friday, October 11, 2013

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Gov. Jerry Brown has vetoed a bill that would have banned future sales of most semi-automatic rifles that accept detachable magazines, part of a firearms package approved by state lawmakers in response to mass shootings in other states.


Even Liberal states understand unconstitutional tyranny when they see it

California also recently vetoed the NDAA indefinite detention

Obama must be having a shit fit that states are actually exercising their rights!
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:10 am

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Obama can keep trying to get our guns. It aint gonna work. Spread your fear mongering elsewhere Bird!

2nd amendment for the win!
Obama is not trying to take away any guns. Stop with the extremist rhetoric, you are only adding to the problem.

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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:16 am

yea and raising the debt ceiling doesn't increase the debt....

stop regurgitating everything that comes out of obamas mouth, you're sounding like a damn parrot!

The only extremists here are the people who continue to grow the size and power of the federal government with no regard for the constitution.

How are your skyrocketing premiums and gigantic deductibles under obamacare working out for you?
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:01 pm

What law did Obama try to pass(not that the President even writes laws) that said he was going to take peoples guns?  Please enlighten me.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:01 pm

The answer is none. Again Oggy sounds like the rest of the conspiracy guys who want to stir the pot with misleading info that has no factual evidence to back it up. Oggy you're batting like .0009% with everything you've posted in this section. I'm for the 2nd amendment, but I'll never lower myself to mislead another person. Shame on you for the 1000th time!
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:02 am

President Obama is pro-gun control to his core, and his past is full of anti-gun legislation and anti-gun rhetoric that provides a clear indication of where the Second Amendment is headed over the next couple of years.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:05 am

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The answer is none. Again Oggy sounds like the rest of the conspiracy guys who want to stir the pot with misleading info that has no factual evidence to back it up. Oggy you're batting like .0009% with everything you've posted in this section. I'm for the 2nd amendment, but I'll never lower myself to mislead another person. Shame on you for the 1000th time!
im not misleading anyone, but hate on playa...
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:05 pm

Again you come back with no evidence and say that Obama is pro gun control. He may be, but he hasn't and will not take away any guns, but lie on playa...
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:20 pm

Gun Control is great, just ask all the tyrants of history...

"The measures adopted to restore public order are: First of all, the elimination of the so-called subversive elements .... They were elements of disorder and subversion. On the morrow of each conflict I gave the categorical order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind. This confiscation, which continues with the utmost energy, has given satisfactory results."
- Benito Mussolini
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:20 pm

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty."
- Adolf Hitler
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:21 pm

"All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party."
- Mao Tse Tung
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:23 pm

proof that the fake liberals that are actually control freak authoritarians want to take our guns

"If I could have banned them all - 'Mr. and Mrs. America turn in your guns' - I would have!"
- Diane Feinstein
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:29 pm

Senator Dianne Feinstein (D – California) “I can tell you that [Obama] is going to have a bill to lead on, because it’s a first day bill I’m going to introduce in the Senate, and the same bill will be introduced in the House – a bill to ban assault weapons. It will ban the sale, the transfer, the importation and the possession, not retroactively, but prospectively. And it will ban the same for big clips, drums or strips with more than ten bullets.”
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:40 pm

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."

- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188


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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:43 pm

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"

- Thomas Jefferson


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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:45 pm

"Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."

-- Mohandas Gandhi, An Autobiography, pg 446


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PostSubject: Re: Gun Laws   Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:50 pm

False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.

-- Cesare Beccaria, as quoted by Thomas Jefferson's Commonplace book
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