Pointless Rankings

So beating Funch, Neer and Head is enough to crack the top ten but knocking out Koscheck isn't ? ok then.

Ali* wrote:

So beating Funch, Neer and Head is enough to crack the top ten but knocking out Koscheck isn't ? ok then.

It's more then just your last fight. Robbie is not a top 10 WW IMO, not even just UFC fighters. If I was ranking him I would have him below my boy Lima.

Ali* wrote:

So beating Funch, Neer and Head is enough to crack the top ten but knocking out Koscheck isn't ? ok then.

Is that what it says?

OU wrote:

Ali* wrote:

So beating Funch, Neer and Head is enough to crack the top ten but knocking out Koscheck isn't ? ok then.

It's more then just your last fight. Robbie is not a top 10 WW IMO, not even just UFC fighters. If I was ranking him I would have him below my boy Lima.

Is Mike Pyle a top 10 WW in your opinion ?

Ali* wrote:

OU wrote:

Ali* wrote:

So beating Funch, Neer and Head is enough to crack the top ten but knocking out Koscheck isn't ? ok then.

It's more then just your last fight. Robbie is not a top 10 WW IMO, not even just UFC fighters. If I was ranking him I would have him below my boy Lima.

Is Mike Pyle a top 10 WW in your opinion ?

Borderline. Closer then Robbie is IMO. But I also think Mike Peirce should be higher and pretty equal with Pyle.

OU wrote:

Ali* wrote:

OU wrote:

Ali* wrote:

So beating Funch, Neer and Head is enough to crack the top ten but knocking out Koscheck isn't ? ok then.

It's more then just your last fight. Robbie is not a top 10 WW IMO, not even just UFC fighters. If I was ranking him I would have him below my boy Lima.

Is Mike Pyle a top 10 WW in your opinion ?

Borderline. Closer then Robbie is IMO.

Robbie has a win over a previous top ten WW though Pyle hasn't beaten anyone as significant since his loss to MacDonald.

Ali* wrote:

OU wrote:

Ali* wrote:

OU wrote:

Ali* wrote:

So beating Funch, Neer and Head is enough to crack the top ten but knocking out Koscheck isn't ? ok then.

It's more then just your last fight. Robbie is not a top 10 WW IMO, not even just UFC fighters. If I was ranking him I would have him below my boy Lima.

Is Mike Pyle a top 10 WW in your opinion ?

Borderline. Closer then Robbie is IMO.

Robbie has a win over a previous top ten WW though Pyle hasn't beaten anyone as significant since his loss to MacDonald.

1 win over a top 10 guy is not better then multiple wins over quality guys. Robbie would have been cut more then likely if he lost to Kos. If he lost that fight he wouldn't even get top 25 consideration. You are putting too much weight on 1 single fight IMO. I don't like to put a ton of weight on 1 single fight. Pyle was 3-0 with 3 finishes at WW in the UFC in 2012.

OU wrote:

Ali* wrote:

OU wrote:

Ali* wrote:

OU wrote:

Ali* wrote:

So beating Funch, Neer and Head is enough to crack the top ten but knocking out Koscheck isn't ? ok then.

It's more then just your last fight. Robbie is not a top 10 WW IMO, not even just UFC fighters. If I was ranking him I would have him below my boy Lima.

Is Mike Pyle a top 10 WW in your opinion ?

Borderline. Closer then Robbie is IMO.

Robbie has a win over a previous top ten WW though Pyle hasn't beaten anyone as significant since his loss to MacDonald.

1 win over a top 10 guy is not better then multiple wins over quality guys. Robbie would have been cut more then likely if he lost to Kos. If he lost that fight he wouldn't even get top 25 consideration. You are putting too much weight on 1 single fight IMO. I don't like to put a ton of weight on 1 single fight. Pyle was 3-0 with 3 finishes at WW in the UFC in 2012.

I should be putting weight on that win because Robbie beat a ranked guy, divisional rankings are about who you beat this isn't P4P.

Ali have you seen Mike Kyle fight before?

GDPofDRC wrote:

Ali have you seen Mike Kyle fight before?

Yeah I've seen Mike Kyle fight before but I was curious as to why you have MIKE PYLE in your top ten ?

Ali* wrote:

OU wrote:

Ali* wrote:

OU wrote:

Ali* wrote:

OU wrote:

Ali* wrote:

So beating Funch, Neer and Head is enough to crack the top ten but knocking out Koscheck isn't ? ok then.

It's more then just your last fight. Robbie is not a top 10 WW IMO, not even just UFC fighters. If I was ranking him I would have him below my boy Lima.

Is Mike Pyle a top 10 WW in your opinion ?

Borderline. Closer then Robbie is IMO.

Robbie has a win over a previous top ten WW though Pyle hasn't beaten anyone as significant since his loss to MacDonald.

1 win over a top 10 guy is not better then multiple wins over quality guys. Robbie would have been cut more then likely if he lost to Kos. If he lost that fight he wouldn't even get top 25 consideration. You are putting too much weight on 1 single fight IMO. I don't like to put a ton of weight on 1 single fight. Pyle was 3-0 with 3 finishes at WW in the UFC in 2012.

I should be putting weight on that win because Robbie beat a ranked guy, divisional rankings are about who you beat this isn't P4P.

You don't have to beat a top 10 guy before you are allowed to be ranked in the top 10. Also beating a top 10 guy alone won't get you in the top 10. The fights that happened before that do matter. You are putting 100% of your ranking on 1 individual fight. That's not how it should be done. Mike Pyle has done much more at WW in the UFC recently to deserve a ranking.

I am not denying that you can build momentum and work your way into the rankings I just don't see anything in Pyle's recent run that's greater than Robbie knocking out one of the best welterweights out there.

Had to be asked, he's fought on the under card before. You have me convinced though that you're more into Robbie having a bigger name than what happens in the cage.

What would anybody see in finishing ability through technique?

GDPofDRC wrote:

Had to be asked, he's fought on the under card before. You have me convinced though that you're more into Robbie having a bigger name than what happens in the cage.

No I've been putting an emphasis on exactly what Robbie just did in the cage. You on the other hand choose to dance around the question instead of actually trying to debate the matter.

GDPofDRC wrote:

Ali* wrote:

Pyle ahead of Kampmann, TS, Lawler, Pierce, Koscheck and Woodley really ?

Is that what is says?

Where's your fucking answer pussy?

Ali* wrote:

I am not denying that you can build momentum and work your way into the rankings I just don't see anything in Pyle's recent run that's greater than Robbie knocking out one of the best welterweights out there.

In MMA anyone can be knocked out. We have seen before that Kos can be knocked out. That's why IMO you shouldn't put too much weight on that single win. Mike Pyle is on a 3 fight win streak with 3 straight finishes and is 6-2 since 2010 with his only 2 losses coming to guys currently ranked in the top 5 at WW.
I think overall Pyle has clearly done more to be ranked at WW. Like I said Robbie very well could have been cut if he lost to Kos.

OU wrote:

Ali* wrote:

I am not denying that you can build momentum and work your way into the rankings I just don't see anything in Pyle's recent run that's greater than Robbie knocking out one of the best welterweights out there.

In MMA anyone can be knocked out. We have seen before that Kos can be knocked out. That's why IMO you shouldn't put too much weight on that single win. Mike Pyle is on a 3 fight win streak with 3 straight finishes and is 6-2 since 2010 with his only 2 losses coming to guys currently ranked in the top 5 at WW.
I think overall Pyle has clearly done more to be ranked at WW. Like I said Robbie very well could have been cut if he lost to Kos.

Now see that's a valid and reasonable argument I can respect and agree with, thanks for actually taking the time to debate the issue and and answer me OU.

Thanks for arguing what most of us already know OU.

Heavens forbid me for actually thinking this was a forum to discuss MMA, I must have missed the memo that stated everything GDP said was fact and final.

Ali* wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

1 GSP
2 Hendricks
3 Ellenberger
4 Maia
5 Condit
6 MacDonald
7 Askren
8 Diaz
9 Pyle
10 Kampman
11 Scaffidine
12 Fitch
13 Lawler
14 Mein
15 Pierce
16 Koscheck
17 Kim
18 Woodley
19 Marquardt
20 Koreshkov

Pyle ahead of Kampmann, TS, Lawler, Pierce, Koscheck and Woodley really ?

USA Today has Pyle ahead of Lawler and Woodley and 1 spot behind TS with no one you mentioned being that far from Pyle. Also check out my boy Lima getting love!
WELTERWEIGHT

Georges St-Pierre
Johny Hendricks
Jake Ellenberger
Carlos Condit
Nick Diaz
Rory MacDonald
Demian Maia
Ben Askren
Martin Kampmann
Jon Fitch
Josh Koscheck
Mike Pierce
Dong Hyun Kim
Tarec Saffiedine
Mike Pyle

Honorable mention: Andrey Koreshkov, Douglas Lima, Tyron Woodley
http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/04/usa-today-sportsmmajunkie-com-mma-rankings-april-1-emanuel-newton-debuts

As of today Robbie would whip Pyles ass.

1 Jones
2 Machida
3 Gustafsson
4 Teixeria
5 Hendo
6 Rua
7 Bader
8 Mousasi
9 Rogerio
10 Evans

1 Barao
2 Cruz
3 McDonald
4 Fernandez
5 Faber
6 Dantes
7 Moreas
8 Wineland
8 Assucsano
10 Pickett

http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/04/usa-today-sportsmmajunkie-com-mma-rankings-april-8-aoki-brandao-on-rise
Fight results

No. 13 Gegard Mousasi def. Ilir Latifi at UFC on FUEL TV 9
Lightweight: No. 11 Shinya Aoki def. Kotetsu Boku at ONE FC 8
Featherweight: No. 4 Pat Curran def. Shahbulat Shamhalaev at Bellator 95
Featherweight: Akira Corassani def. honorable mention Robbie Peralta at UFC on FUEL TV 9
Bantamweight: No. 7 Brad Pickett def. No. 14 Mike Easton at UFC on FUEL TV 9

HEAVYWEIGHT

Cain Velasquez
Junior dos Santos
Daniel Cormier
Alistair Overeem
Fabricio Werdum
Josh Barnett
Antonio Silva
Frank Mir
Roy Nelson
Mark Hunt
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Shane Carwin
Cheick Kongo
Travis Browne
Stefan Struve

Honorable mention: Gabriel Gonzaga, Brendan Schaub, Alexander Volkov

LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT

Jon Jones
Lyoto Machida
Dan Henderson
Rashad Evans
Phil Davis
Alexander Gustafsson
Glover Teixeira
Mauricio Rua
Ryan Bader
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
Forrest Griffin
Muhammed Lawal
Gegard Mousasi
Quinton Jackson
James Te Huna

Honorable mention: Rafael Cavalcante, Emanuel Newton, Attila Vegh

MIDDLEWEIGHT

Anderson Silva
Chris Weidman
Chael Sonnen
Vitor Belfort
Yushin Okami
Michael Bisping
Luke Rockhold
Mark Munoz
Ronaldo Souza
Constantinos Philippou
Tim Boetsch
Alan Belcher
Hector Lombard
Alexander Shlemenko
Jake Shields

Honorable mention: Cung Le, Wanderlei Silva, Brian Stann

WELTERWEIGHT

Georges St-Pierre
Johny Hendricks
Jake Ellenberger
Carlos Condit
Nick Diaz
Rory MacDonald
Demian Maia
Ben Askren
Martin Kampmann
Jon Fitch
Josh Koscheck
Mike Pierce
Dong Hyun Kim
Tarec Saffiedine
Mike Pyle

Honorable mention: Andrey Koreshkov, Douglas Lima, Tyron Woodley

LIGHTWEIGHT

Benson Henderson
Gilbert Melendez
Michael Chandler
Anthony Pettis
Gray Maynard
Nate Diaz
Jim Miller
Eddie Alvarez
Donald Cerrone
Shinya Aoki
Joe Lauzon
T.J. Grant
Evan Dunham
Josh Thomson
Pat Healy

Honorable mention: Rafael dos Anjos, Khabib Nurmagomedov, Gleison Tibau

FEATHERWEIGHT

Jose Aldo
Ricardo Lamas
Chad Mendes
Pat Curran
Cub Swanson
Chan Sung Jung
Darren Elkins
Daniel Straus
Dennis Siver
Tatsuya Kawajiri
Erik Koch
Patricio Freire
Dustin Poirier
Hatsu Hioki
Nik Lentz

Honorable mention: Diego Brandao, Frankie Edgar, Clay Guida

BANTAMWEIGHT

Dominick Cruz
Renan Barao
Urijah Faber
Michael McDonald
Eddie Wineland
Scott Jorgensen
Brad Pickett
Bibiano Fernandes
Raphael Assuncao
Brian Bowles
Eduardo Dantas
Marcos Galvao
Yuri Alcantara
T.J. Dillashaw
Mike Easton

Honorable mention: Ivan Menjivar, Marlon Moraes, Luis Nogueira

FLYWEIGHT

Demetrious Johnson
Joseph Benavidez
John Dodson
Ian McCall
John Moraga
Jussier Formiga
Darrell Montague
Chris Cariaso
John Lineker
Tim Elliott
Darren Uyenoyama
Louis Gaudinot
Yasuhiro Urushitani
Will Campuzano
Joshua Sampo

Honorable mention: Shinichi Kojima, Alexis Vila, Mamoru Yamaguchi