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PostSubject: Why cant they?   Why cant they? EmptyMon Sep 28, 2009 9:33 am

get rid of the 170 weight class and make it 175? That way you can create a 165 weight class as well.

Every other weight class increases by 10 lbs anyways until you go up to LHW.

So why in the hell do they gotta fuck it up and make a 170 right there? lol I think a 165 lb weight division would be fuckin perfect for me. 170 im a little bit undersized, and at 155 i'd be like a damn giant but thats ALOT of fuckin weight to cut...so yeah I'd like to see a 165 lb weight division.
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PostSubject: Re: Why cant they?   Why cant they? EmptyMon Sep 28, 2009 10:20 am

Well, because it is not all about you? If they did that then they would make it 175, 185, 195, 205. That is like adding two extra weight classes...come to think about it? Actually that would be good, then we could have two more championships! Never mid, you are right lets get this done!
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PostSubject: Re: Why cant they?   Why cant they? EmptyMon Sep 28, 2009 10:58 am

Sarcasm or not, I will take it as an agreement lol.

I just dont understand why they changed it for that one particular weight class...WHY?! lol
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PostSubject: Re: Why cant they?   Why cant they? EmptyMon Sep 28, 2009 12:37 pm

Every other weight class increases by 10 lbs anyways until you go up to LHW.


265 +60
205 +20
185 +15
170 +15
155 +10
145 +10
135

if there is any class that needs to be made it should be 235 .. but thats just me.. cuz that may hurt everyones favorite 205 division.


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PostSubject: Re: Why cant they?   Why cant they? EmptyMon Sep 28, 2009 12:43 pm

I know what the weight classes are.

im saying it goes 135, 145, 155....why not just keep that going and go 165, 175, 185 and then after that I dont care lol

I know its not gonna change, thats just how id like to see it for my and probably other people's benefits lol
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PostSubject: Re: Why cant they?   Why cant they? EmptyMon Sep 28, 2009 12:43 pm

I still like

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PostSubject: Re: Why cant they?   Why cant they? EmptyMon Sep 28, 2009 12:45 pm

Yeah, I like your weight class set up Farmer.
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PostSubject: Re: Why cant they?   Why cant they? EmptyMon Sep 28, 2009 1:26 pm

more classes more dilution .. just my opinion ..
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PostSubject: Re: Why cant they?   Why cant they? EmptyMon Sep 28, 2009 1:48 pm

I'm not so much a fan of adding weight classes every ten pounds as I am absorbing the WEC's 135 and 145 pound classes and adding a 230 and Super Heavy class. I like the fact that at the lighter classes the increments are at 10 pounds, then 15 pounds in the middle classes and 20 pounds from 185 to 205 and should have a 25 increment to cruiser another 35 to heavy...

135, 145, 155, 170, 185, 205, 230, 265, 265+...

Don't change the classes, just add the proper classes. Just think of the PPV potential with 9 properly proportioned weight classes. We would never see a PPV without a title fight and would probably see more cards with two title fights than just one! I think that adding classes every ten pounds just gives guys that can't unseat a dominant fighter an excuse to fight somewhere else. Don't make a 195 to suit Franklin and Wandy because they can't hang at 185 or 205... Either improve your game and game planning or accept gate keeper status or go to the minors...
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PostSubject: Re: Why cant they?   Why cant they? EmptyMon Sep 28, 2009 3:00 pm

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I'm not so much a fan of adding weight classes every ten pounds as I am absorbing the WEC's 135 and 145 pound classes and adding a 230 and Super Heavy class. I like the fact that at the lighter classes the increments are at 10 pounds, then 15 pounds in the middle classes and 20 pounds from 185 to 205 and should have a 25 increment to cruiser another 35 to heavy...

135, 145, 155, 170, 185, 205, 230, 265, 265+...

Don't change the classes, just add the proper classes. Just think of the PPV potential with 9 properly proportioned weight classes. We would never see a PPV without a title fight and would probably see more cards with two title fights than just one! I think that adding classes every ten pounds just gives guys that can't unseat a dominant fighter an excuse to fight somewhere else. Don't make a 195 to suit Franklin and Wandy because they can't hang at 185 or 205... Either improve your game and game planning or accept gate keeper status or go to the minors...

+1..

now I agree with those weight class .. and the info .. which is what i meant by "more classes more dilution" .. a 235 should be added.
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PostSubject: Re: Why cant they?   Why cant they? EmptyMon Sep 28, 2009 3:09 pm

It should be 135, 145, 155, 170, 185, 195, 205, 235, 265
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PostSubject: Re: Why cant they?   Why cant they? EmptyMon Sep 28, 2009 4:55 pm

tolivendiewithLA wrote:
It should be 135, 145, 155, 170, 185, 195, 205, 235, 265

Again LA, all you've really done differently than me is add a 195. No need for that since it's just a haven for guys like Rich and Wandy to hide from Anderson and Machida. There is really NO need for a 195 class...
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PostSubject: Re: Why cant they?   Why cant they? EmptyMon Sep 28, 2009 5:38 pm

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tolivendiewithLA wrote:
It should be 135, 145, 155, 170, 185, 195, 205, 235, 265

Again LA, all you've really done differently than me is add a 195. No need for that since it's just a haven for guys like Rich and Wandy to hide from Anderson and Machida. There is really NO need for a 195 class...

Again LTFG, I did that because I believe that should be the divisional layout, 195 is needed because some fighters fit perfectly into that weight class. 235 is needed becuase there are multiple HWs that would be better suited for that weight, Cain, Randy, Mir ect. There is no use for the 265+ division, there isn't enough talent to fill it, and the current borderline 265 guys like Brock maybe Carwin or Grimm, can cut to 265 anyways.
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PostSubject: Re: Why cant they?   Why cant they? EmptyMon Sep 28, 2009 5:42 pm

i like your idea NoRegret. They should make it even cause there are always a bunch of guys who fall in between weight classes.
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PostSubject: Re: Why cant they?   Why cant they? EmptyMon Sep 28, 2009 5:48 pm

I disagree LA... I don't know anyone that is honestly better at 195 than 185 or 205. Regardless, if either Machida or Anderson goes to those classes they dominate all the same. Anyone who thinks that a fight would be different at 195 is kidding themselves, IMO. It's okay to have a 15 pound jump from 155 to 170 and 170 to 185, but we need to have a class between 185 and 205? Why don't we have a 177 for Trigg, Alves and Fitch?

Look, jabs aside it just doesn't really make sense. You cannot sell me on a guy being significantly better at 195 than he would be at 185 or 205. Even boxing jumps from 175 to 200 despite their classes every few pounds in the lighter weights...


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PostSubject: Re: Why cant they?   Why cant they? EmptyMon Sep 28, 2009 5:48 pm

maybe later, but not right now. too many champions before the sport is ready for it is a bad idea
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PostSubject: Re: Why cant they?   Why cant they? EmptyMon Sep 28, 2009 5:56 pm

LikesToFightGuy wrote:
I disagree LA... I don't know anyone that is honestly better at 195 than 185 or 205. Regardless, if either Machida or Anderson goes to those classes they dominate all the same. Anyone who thinks that a fight would be different at 195 is kidding themselves, IMO. It's okay to have a 15 pound jump from 155 to 170 and 170 to 185, but we need to have a class between 185 and 205? Why don't we have a 177 for Trigg, Alves and Fitch?

Look, jabs aside it just doesn't really make sense. You cannot sell me on a guy being significantly better at 195 than he would be at 185 or 205. Even boxing jumps from 175 to 200 despite their classes every few pounds in the lighter weights...

It's pretty obvious that some fighters would be better suited for weight classes that currently don't exist, even outside of adding 195. Anyone who doesn't think a fighter could be better suited for an added division such as 195 is kidding themselves, honestly, less weight to cut, easier on the body, can walk around at a more comfortable weight

All and all, I believe what I want, and you what you want.
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PostSubject: Re: Why cant they?   Why cant they? EmptyMon Sep 28, 2009 6:44 pm

Maybe it's just me, but I feel like we'd have the same champs if you did that. 155 & 165 would be ruled by Penn. 175 by St. Pierre. 185 & 195 would be owned by Anderson. 205 and 235 by Machida(Unless of course Anderson wanted to give Machida one of these weight classes, and hold another belt at the other). And of course 265 is the same. It's just pointless to only have 10 lb. differences once you start getting heavier. The difference between 135 and 145 is quite big, whereas 195 and 205 is tiny.
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PostSubject: Re: Why cant they?   Why cant they? EmptyMon Sep 28, 2009 7:50 pm

I think Machida would do better at 195. He's a small LHW. I wouldn't be surprised if Anderson was bigger than Machida.
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PostSubject: Re: Why cant they?   Why cant they? EmptyTue Sep 29, 2009 12:16 am

machida and spider would flip a coin to see who would be the 195 champ.
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PostSubject: Re: Why cant they?   Why cant they? EmptyTue Sep 29, 2009 4:09 am

im on board with adding a 235lb division.. idk about 195 tho
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PostSubject: Re: Why cant they?   Why cant they? EmptyTue Sep 29, 2009 11:04 am

I like-

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PostSubject: Re: Why cant they?   Why cant they? EmptyTue Sep 29, 2009 11:23 am

Farmer1906 wrote:
I think Machida would do better at 195. He's a small LHW. I wouldn't be surprised if Anderson was bigger than Machida.

How could he do better at 195 when he's dominating everyone at 205? He would most likely do equally well in each division. He's really not that small at 205, he's 6'1" and pretty thick which is probably average for a 205er.
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PostSubject: Re: Why cant they?   Why cant they? EmptyTue Sep 29, 2009 12:45 pm

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Farmer1906 wrote:
I think Machida would do better at 195. He's a small LHW. I wouldn't be surprised if Anderson was bigger than Machida.

How could he do better at 195 when he's dominating everyone at 205? He would most likely do equally well in each division. He's really not that small at 205, he's 6'1" and pretty thick which is probably average for a 205er.

I mean it would probably be a more ideal weight for him.

Like when Timmy was champ he'd balloon up to 290 and cut down to 265 for the weight in and come in at 275 for the fight. If Timmy stayed in shape fought at say 265 it'd be a "better" weight for him.

I'm not saying Machida isn't doing well at 205. He is just a smaller 205er when compared to Tito, Chuck, Forrest, etc.
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