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Do you like the buyout of Strikeforce?
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Mixed feelings
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PostSubject: Re: Do you like the buyout of Strikeforce?   Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:15 pm

You don't really know all the information about Nate, so lets not act like he's some angel.


The article is a transparent look on the UFC "Monopoly"


If a guy does something with grounds for being lets go, well it happens. This would be a huge deal in other sports, and as MMA grows so would it headlines.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you like the buyout of Strikeforce?   Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:49 pm

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The point of the article is about blackballing and opportunity.

Who made the UFC look worse.

The guy who didn't do what he was supposed to, fought elevated/unchecked, lied his ass off about it nationally for 7 months, or the dude who did everything he thought he was supposed to in conjunction with all necessary parties?


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PostSubject: Re: Do you like the buyout of Strikeforce?   Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:03 pm

Why did Nate continue to use a doctor who wasn't administering testosterone under USADA protocols? Neither Nate or Chael are saints but one had the opportunity to resolve his issues, played with fire to close to the event and got burned.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you like the buyout of Strikeforce?   Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:19 pm

GDPofDRC wrote:
The point of the article is about blackballing and opportunity.

Who made the UFC look worse.

The guy who didn't do what he was supposed to, fought elevated/unchecked, lied his ass off about it nationally for 7 months, or the dude who did everything he thought he was supposed to in conjunction with all necessary parties?

Well the 2nd dude has already been suspended for illegal substances in the past (of which Keith Kizer recently said there was no secret that he would test postive...the effects were listed right on what he was taking)

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PostSubject: Re: Do you like the buyout of Strikeforce?   Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:12 am

Wolf? views on the Nate situation, genuinely interested...
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PostSubject: Re: Do you like the buyout of Strikeforce?   Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:17 am

More on Nate, not sure why I'm bothering, this kind of stuff is outside my MMA interests but..

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/6/29/2249743/new-jersey-denied-nate-marquardts-therapeutic-exemption-application
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PostSubject: Re: Do you like the buyout of Strikeforce?   Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:51 pm

http://mmaweekly.com/alistair-overeem-out-of-strikeforce-grand-prix-replaced-by-daniel-cormier

Crap on MMA, business as usual. If they go through with this without reem then here is my pre lol at all the blissful ufc newbs defending the decision. lol.

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Are u fucking serious with this post bro? ur a newbie to MMA compared to me, I watch all fights, but don't get a hard on unless guys are in the top 30.

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PostSubject: Re: Do you like the buyout of Strikeforce?   Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:51 pm

The "Nick Diaz" works again....


I mean they clearly want to wrap this thing up, and we all know it never made sense with Reem fighting through it with the belt on hold in the first place. All the steam from this thing was lost as well, the buzz went out when it took so long to complete in such irratic fashion. Reems's also the most marketable guy in the tourney, it could be thought you don't want him losing and therefore losing the a future big matchup. My guess he ends up in the UFC in his next fight. Not gonna to make this such a big deal personally.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you like the buyout of Strikeforce?   Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:31 pm

OU wrote:
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/6/17/2228887/strikeforce-enacts-sponsor-tax-right-before-overeem-vs-werdum-card
In 2009, the UFC enacted a sponsorship tax for companies to sponsor fighters. Now, that tax is coming to Strikeforce.
On June 8, MMA clothing company Vexillum tweeted the following:


UFC is pissing me off today the must not care about fighters getting payed by sponsors #UFC #strikeforce #mma #bitches
vexillumllc


Hey @vexillumllc the #UFC and #Strikeforce hit you with the sponsor tax huh? They are really taking $ out of the fighter's pockets w dat BS!
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http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/7/20/2284815/ranger-up-out-as-ufc-strikeforce-sponsor
With Strikeforce recently adding a "sponsor fee" in the vein of the UFC, some sponsors
are now unable to advertise in the Strikeforce cage. One of them is Ranger Up,
who has decided to step away from sponsoring fighters in Strikeforce
for the time being. This affects two of their fighters competing in
events over the next couple of months - Tim Kennedy and Liz Carmouche.
Ranger Up is a unique brand though, and being able to advertise in the
cage isn't number one on their priority list. They just want to take
care of their fighters. MMA Payout spoke to Ranger Up President Nick Palmisciano about it:

"We are in fact "out" [as sponsors], but are still supporting all of
our athletes financially as if they wore the Ranger Up logo into the
cage. We also completely understand and have no issue with
Strikeforce’s position. It is a sign the sport is growing. We hope to
be back in Strikeforce and the UFC soon, but until then continue to
support and sponsor military athletes at all levels, and are very proud
to have been able to advance the sport in the military community these
past 5 years."
RangerUp has sponsored fighters that have served in the military for a
long time, and currently sponsor over 100 fighters at various levels of
the sport.

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PostSubject: Re: Do you like the buyout of Strikeforce?   Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:37 pm

Damn you ZUFFA!

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PostSubject: Re: Do you like the buyout of Strikeforce?   Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:42 pm

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Damn you ZUFFA!
The threads were related so that is why I brought it up here. But I'm sure I'll get the "haters gonna hate" response.

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PostSubject: Re: Do you like the buyout of Strikeforce?   Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:41 pm

OU wrote:
OU wrote:
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/6/17/2228887/strikeforce-enacts-sponsor-tax-right-before-overeem-vs-werdum-card
In 2009, the UFC enacted a sponsorship tax for companies to sponsor fighters. Now, that tax is coming to Strikeforce.
On June 8, MMA clothing company Vexillum tweeted the following:


UFC is pissing me off today the must not care about fighters getting payed by sponsors #UFC #strikeforce #mma #bitches
vexillumllc


Hey @vexillumllc the #UFC and #Strikeforce hit you with the sponsor tax huh? They are really taking $ out of the fighter's pockets w dat BS!
ConorHeun
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/7/20/2284815/ranger-up-out-as-ufc-strikeforce-sponsor
With Strikeforce recently adding a "sponsor fee" in the vein of the UFC, some sponsors
are now unable to advertise in the Strikeforce cage. One of them is Ranger Up,
who has decided to step away from sponsoring fighters in Strikeforce
for the time being. This affects two of their fighters competing in
events over the next couple of months - Tim Kennedy and Liz Carmouche.
Ranger Up is a unique brand though, and being able to advertise in the
cage isn't number one on their priority list. They just want to take
care of their fighters. MMA Payout spoke to Ranger Up President Nick Palmisciano about it:

"We are in fact "out" [as sponsors], but are still supporting all of
our athletes financially as if they wore the Ranger Up logo into the
cage. We also completely understand and have no issue with
Strikeforce’s position. It is a sign the sport is growing. We hope to
be back in Strikeforce and the UFC soon, but until then continue to
support and sponsor military athletes at all levels, and are very proud
to have been able to advance the sport in the military community these
past 5 years."
RangerUp has sponsored fighters that have served in the military for a
long time, and currently sponsor over 100 fighters at various levels of
the sport.


There has to be a business side of MMA for it to go anywhere, you do get that right?
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PostSubject: Re: Do you like the buyout of Strikeforce?   Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:26 pm

Obviously this is business, and this is a deal where $$$ gets taken out of the fighters pockets so as to line the pockets of the Zuffa suits.



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PostSubject: Re: Do you like the buyout of Strikeforce?   Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:30 am

The UFC has had this policy in place for years.

I'm talking about people understanding that MMA has to have a sense of the business side of things, otherwise it wouldn't be where it is today.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you like the buyout of Strikeforce?   Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:22 am

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The UFC has had this policy in place for years.

I'm talking about people understanding that MMA has to have a sense of the business side of things, otherwise it wouldn't be where it is today.

but is it a fair policy is the question.

Zuffa holds the hammer, cause guys will make alot more under their umbrella then they will else where. but does that make it cool for the UFC to squeeze the fighters on a point like this? Not imo. Especially when if u look at the #'s, the company seems to be bringing in alot more $$$ then they are paying out.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you like the buyout of Strikeforce?   Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:46 pm

What if they only allowed their sponsors like some other sports? I'd say in terms of fairness, 30K is probably too much, and that 1 day before a SF event shit was moronic for a big company. I mean the UFC has had this in place for a while, but lower level guys have still seemed to get by, Ranger Up is a sponsor for Jorge Rivera I think, they must have been paying the tax with him for a while. On how much they make vs what they pay, well we all know it's too much of a difference, but there would have to be a universal pay increase across the Zuffa landscape which will take time IMO. MMA/UFC/Zuffa boomed in a short time frame, I don't think things have properly adjusted yet. Also when we see UFC revenue numbers we're like damnnnnn, but really they have huge expense costs too, it's not quite as much as we think, still huge though.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you like the buyout of Strikeforce?   Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:53 pm

The other big sports pay way more $$$ to their athletes. A much larger % of the pie too. So much so that alot of teams in those other sports lose $$$$.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you like the buyout of Strikeforce?   Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:10 pm

After how long? It took years and years for that to happen, the UFC/Zuffa turned into a billion dollar company in like 5-7 years, give it time.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you like the buyout of Strikeforce?   Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:23 pm

Fuck Zuffa. I hope The Tortilla Bros and Dana fry in this lawsuit! Fighters > Promter

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PostSubject: Re: Do you like the buyout of Strikeforce?   Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:49 pm

Yeah they are getting way too greedy. Fighters need to win this.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you like the buyout of Strikeforce?   Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:50 am

I don't know how easy winning this will be, but if they settle out of court, from what I read, it will still help increase fighter pay.
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